Post by: plusnq on July 05, 2019, 04:04:42 PM
Post by: chester ver2.0 on July 05, 2019, 04:13:54 PM
Post by: Bigfish on July 05, 2019, 04:35:15 PM
You can kick and scream and carry on houw your 80 series or GU was the best 4wd every but you are looking at the future of engines in those photos
Spot on. The dinosaurs can say what they want but the electric vehicle revolution is worldwide and will not stop. I still think that vehicles with fuel cells will also be on the market. 2050...maybe water power! Who knows?.. :cheers:
Post by: Champin on July 05, 2019, 04:57:12 PM
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Post by: edz on July 05, 2019, 05:15:51 PM
Think about it, tell the wife that the extra cartons of beer are there for safety reasons and is the fuel that will be needed to do the trip, just got to be mindfull of being DUI tho . ;D ;D ;D
Post by: Bigfish on July 05, 2019, 06:09:00 PM
Now now, you have a legitimate excuse to carry more beer when you go out traveling, fuel cells need water, drink beer, body turns it into water eeerrr fuel, P*ss into fuel cell extend E vehicles range..
Think about it, tell the wife that the extra cartons of beer are there for safety reasons and is the fuel that will be needed to do the trip, just got to be mindfull of being DUI tho . ;D ;D ;D
Hope you a get a seat on the design team...... :cheers:
Post by: glenm64 on July 05, 2019, 06:11:34 PM
Post by: rockrat on July 05, 2019, 06:36:33 PM
And if you’re too drunk the microchip in your head will automatically talk to Google and arrange to get you home or to a hotel. Facebook will know exactly what hotels you like and Instagram will automatically clean up any incriminating photos .
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Post by: Pottsy on July 05, 2019, 06:42:52 PM
Post by: edz on July 05, 2019, 06:59:34 PM
Post by: jwb on July 05, 2019, 07:19:35 PM
He was 25 when he left Melbourne. ;D ;D :D
Good one Pottsy ! :cup: :cheers:
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Post by: Moxley on July 06, 2019, 12:18:47 AM
I was at yarangabilly caves in Kosciuszko Nat Park yesterday and they have an EV charge station down there in front of the kiosk.
Is the infrastructure for that onerous? Do you just need access to the grid? Perhaps they’re easier to have around the place than dirty underground fuel tanks.
At least with electricity transport is ore organised.
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 06, 2019, 06:09:49 AM
You can kick and scream and carry on houw your 80 series or GU was the best 4wd every but you are looking at the future of engines in those photos
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :'(
I don't wanna and you can't make me.
Dead set, I'll push the friggin Cadillac to where i'm going or have a stroke or heartie trying, before i'll give in to electric.
It's just so much more fun burning up fossil fuel.
Electric.... I won't I won't I won't I won't.
Post by: Pete79 on July 06, 2019, 06:48:57 AM
Is the infrastructure for that onerous? Do you just need access to the grid? Perhaps they’re easier to have around the place than dirty underground fuel tanks.The Kiwis have charging points everywhere, and I mean everywhere.
At least with electricity transport is ore organised.
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I pulled up at a normal smallish suburban shopping complex (think a typical home makers type place with 10 or so shops in a L shape and about 40 open air car parks in the middle) and right in front of the pie shop that I went to grab some lunch was 4 recharge car parks.
Took a walk along an esplanade beside a river, more recharge points.
Went into town for dinner, more recharge points.
Airport car park, recharge points. Council offices, recharge points.
As far as I know, yes, you just need access to mains power.
Post by: Fizzie on July 06, 2019, 07:22:27 AM
Travelled all the way from Melbourne.
Any idea what his route was ???
Post by: Rumpig on July 06, 2019, 08:07:37 AM
The Kiwis have charging points everywhere, and I mean everywhere.out of curiosity....aee people allowed to park diesel and petrol powered vehicle in those car parks, or do you get fined for doing so, are they dedicated EV only spaces?
I pulled up at a normal smallish suburban shopping complex (think a typical home makers type place with 10 or so shops in a L shape and about 40 open air car parks in the middle) and right in front of the pie shop that I went to grab some lunch was 4 recharge car parks.
Took a walk along an esplanade beside a river, more recharge points.
Went into town for dinner, more recharge points.
Airport car park, recharge points. Council offices, recharge points.
As far as I know, yes, you just need access to mains power.
Post by: Pete79 on July 06, 2019, 08:22:16 AM
One would assume they are EV car only places.
But having 4 charging bays at a shopping center isn’t much different then having 10 “mums with prams only” bays that we see everywhere these days...
Post by: gronk on July 06, 2019, 09:00:44 AM
Post by: Trev-p on July 06, 2019, 11:24:25 PM
Got to pay for Hospitals, roads, schools, Bronwyn Bishops helicopters, etc with something.
A meter in each car that registers Km's used and sends you a monthly bill type thing ????????
Post by: gronk on July 07, 2019, 08:37:34 AM
So when we all drive EV where is the massive amount of money that fuel taxes create going to come from.
Got to pay for Hospitals, roads, schools, Bronwyn Bishops helicopters, etc with something.
A meter in each car that registers Km's used and sends you a monthly bill type thing ????????
I won't have to worry, I'll be dead before the internal combustion engine is fazed out.
But I keep saying, maybe in my lifetime (max 30 yrs left ) batteries won't be the solution......hydrogen, nuclear or some sort of fusion ??
They need a fuel that also works on big trucks, airplanes, trains etc, and batteries ain't it !!
Post by: Steffo1 on July 07, 2019, 10:22:35 AM
I won't have to worry, I'll be dead before the internal combustion engine is fazed out.
But I keep saying, maybe in my lifetime (max 30 yrs left ) batteries won't be the solution......hydrogen, nuclear or some sort of fusion ??
They need a fuel that also works on big trucks, airplanes, trains etc, and batteries ain't it !!
You forgot about my boat, Gronk!
Post by: noel_w on July 07, 2019, 12:02:30 PM
You forgot about my boat, Gronk!Nice tender Steve. Where's your big boat?
Post by: austastar on July 07, 2019, 12:11:36 PM
A meter in each car that registers km used and sends you a monthly bill type thing ????????
Hi,
Yep, OEM or aftermarket black box complete with GPS, SIM card, flight recorder, 360 ° dash cam, driver cam, breath test on startup, TPMS and auto withdrawal from your bank account for the vehicle use and traffic violations.
Similar from the driver cam (facial recognition) for your licence status check, third party and optional comprehensive insurance risk (based on your age, demographic, and past driving performance).
1984 on steroids.
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Post by: Beachman on July 08, 2019, 11:06:17 AM
Yes I also understand the old generation of 4WD's will be fazed out, but that time isn't now.
Post by: JD-120 on July 08, 2019, 11:13:50 AM
Once everything is computerised and we are online everywhere, like previously stated, automatic fines based on android and Apple devices going too fast in a sixty zone.
No more speed cameras needed, your car will dob you in
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Post by: Bird on July 08, 2019, 11:56:28 AM
Quote from: Beachman
I'm going to be the odd on out and say just because you can doesn't mean you should. Just imagine the towing bill if that car broke down in Birdsville??
but think of the meme's the photo it would make :D
Post by: edz on July 08, 2019, 12:16:20 PM
Its all good to go hi tech with gadgets in a car that sends data, but to a degree 90% of the roads will still be dumb in the majority of the country and a car with no tech will mostly be invisible to the overlords .
Post by: jclures on July 08, 2019, 12:53:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie7qvo-aC5k
Post by: gronk on July 08, 2019, 06:07:46 PM
Maybe it is time to look into this option.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie7qvo-aC5k
Big motors, big amps, bigger battery !
Just imagine going to the drags....no earmuffs needed and you can talk while the pass is happening. How exciting !! :'(
Post by: Harbourmaster on July 08, 2019, 06:17:33 PM
Post by: Bird on July 08, 2019, 06:18:24 PM
Quote from: gronk
Just imagine going to the drags....no earmuffs needed and you can talk while the pass is happening. How exciting !! :'(while watching motogp last night they had the first televised motoE race.. sounded like a 1970's scalextric set.
Post by: GeoffA on July 08, 2019, 06:31:08 PM
Lot of people ask what will trucks and trains etc. run on, The huge dump trucks in the mines are electric the diesel motor is only a generator....
That would make them diesel powered, just as Tesla's etc are coal powered.
We have a long way to go yet....
Post by: edz on July 08, 2019, 07:04:57 PM
Big motors, big amps, bigger battery !
Just imagine going to the drags....no earmuffs needed and you can talk while the pass is happening. How exciting !! :'(
Well here you go .. The silence is errr umm " So exciting " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATUSAjZPcos
Post by: Harbourmaster on July 08, 2019, 07:45:48 PM
That would make them diesel powered, just as Tesla's etc are coal powered.Totally agree if you can't grab a bolt of lightning when you need power something has to produce it & store it for later
We have a long way to go yet....
Post by: PWE on July 08, 2019, 08:09:41 PM
out of curiosity....aee people allowed to park diesel and petrol powered vehicle in those car parks, or do you get fined for doing so, are they dedicated EV only spaces?
Yes, you will be fined (laws in the process of being drafted), similar to park in a disability space.
Post by: PWE on July 08, 2019, 08:18:14 PM
That would make them diesel powered, just as Tesla's etc are coal powered.
We have a long way to go yet....
Agree, 99% of Tesla will be coal power, until battery storage uptake increase.
I have currently one powerwall, have two more on order and they will arrive when my Tesla model 3 arrive.
I will keep my landcruiser 76 for touring, diesel will be around for my lifetime, so no need to go full electric. And nothing beats the sound of a 1VD-FTV 4.5L!
Post by: Bird on July 08, 2019, 08:55:30 PM
Quote from: PWE
Yes, you will be fined (laws in the process of being drafted), similar to park in a disability space.thats awesome for that 1:1,000,000 cars on the road that will never use it or at most use it once a year. Specially in country areas.
Post by: PWE on July 08, 2019, 09:16:16 PM
thats awesome for that 1:1,000,000 cars on the road that will never use it or at most use it once a year. Specially in country areas.
There are about 19.2million register vehicles in Australia.
Electric vehicles parked in the charge bay will also be fined if they are not charging and/or if there vehicle finished charging and they do not move them within a set time.
Post by: PWE on July 08, 2019, 09:22:06 PM
thats awesome for that 1:1,000,000 cars on the road that will never use it or at most use it once a year. Specially in country areas.
The Blues won Game 2, that is just live!
Life will go on, same with new electric vehicle laws.
Still waiting for the detail of how the infrastructure (roads) fuel levy will be replace, but currently their are 19.2million paying and less than 8,000 (electric vehicles) free riding
Post by: gronk on July 08, 2019, 09:33:50 PM
Lot of people ask what will trucks and trains etc. run on,
Not sure which forum it was on, but it was asked what happened to Hydrogen power. Response from one car company is it's not dead, it will replace large diesels ( trucks, trains etc ) and batteries will replace petrol cars.
Post by: topcat on July 08, 2019, 09:52:54 PM
Not sure which forum it was on, but it was asked what happened to Hydrogen power. Response from one car company is it's not dead, it will replace large diesels ( trucks, trains etc ) and batteries will replace petrol cars.
Gronk’s comments backed up by
https://www.truckinginfo.com/330270/toyota-and-kenworth-unveil-jointly-developed-hydrogen-fuel-cell-truck
TC (not sure why it doesn’t act as a link? 🧐)
Post by: PWE on July 08, 2019, 10:15:15 PM
Saw the post on the Tesla forum
The Tesla is a P90D. My “maximum” range at 100kms/hr without AC is now around 430 kms. It is only a tiny amount more than my original P85 (I have the 90 “A” pack). My degradation has been minimal – 2.5% after 3.5 years, 60000kms – which I consider excellent.
Melbourne to Windorah was travelled at road speeds without energy issue.
On the Windorah to Birdsville leg the first 120kms was on the Diamantina Development Road that has a typical centre strip seal. On leaving Windorah the trip computer gave me various warnings with a 5% remaining charge at destination prediction. We managed around 150wh/km at 70kms/hr, making good energy gains over the Tesla trip energy calculation, with the charge at destination growing to 14%. Then onto the Birdsville Development Road, which at best can be called a gravel road. I tried the first 10kms at normal tyre pressures (45psi) and it was absolutely not acceptable for both us and the car. I lowered the pressures to 36psi and it at least became bearable. I had a southerly wind (which kept the dust from other vehicles away to the right but increased energy use) and limited my speed to 50kms/hr to preserve both tyres and energy. My usage varied from 170 to 210wh/km at this speed, which more or less followed the Tesla demand graph. The remaining charge at destination stayed around 14% level for the 268kms of gravel “road”. The total distance was 388kms, and I arrived at Birdsville with 42kms showing. The journey took 7.5 hrs. It was very hard going, very tiring. My wife and I shared the drive equally on 1hr stints.
Charging Locations (Plugshare): Euroa Supercharger, Narrandeera NRMA CHAdeMO, Hillston 15A, Cobar 20A 3ph 14kW (32A 3ph outlet which tripped at anything over 20A!!), Bourke Tesla 22kW destination charger.
Then: Cunnamulla (32A 3ph 22kW), Charleville (32A 3ph 22kW), Quilpie (20A 3ph 14kW), Windorah (20A 3ph 14kW), Birdsville Campsite 15A. The most important attribute of the Tesla making such trips bearable is the 22kW total onboard chargers.
Well spotted, Blue H. The windscreen damage worsened on the return journey from Perth – replaced when back in Melbourne. Since then I have been up to Cairns, as well as a number of South Australia trips.
I’ll take some pictures of the road on the way back, and if anyone is interested I will post them next week.
Post by: Steffo1 on July 09, 2019, 07:03:40 AM
Gronk’s comments backed up by
https://www.truckinginfo.com/330270/toyota-and-kenworth-unveil-jointly-developed-hydrogen-fuel-cell-truck
TC (not sure why it doesn’t act as a link? 🧐)
If you highlight it and "Right Click" there is a "Go To" option.
Post by: Fizzie on July 09, 2019, 07:40:20 AM
Totally agree if you can't grab a bolt of lightning when you need power something has to produce it & store it for later
Not arguing :D, but on that same concept, if you run out of petrol / diesel, it doesn't really work to dig a hole in the ground & just wait for new stuff to come bubbling up to the surface ;D
Post by: Fizzie on July 09, 2019, 07:46:25 AM
Melbourne to Windorah was travelled at road speeds without energy issue.
On the Windorah to Birdsville leg the first 120kms was on the Diamantina Development Road t... We managed around 150wh/km at 70kms/hr,
Then onto the Birdsville Development Road, which at best can be called a gravel road. I tried the first 10kms at normal tyre pressures (45psi) and it was absolutely not acceptable for both us and the car. I lowered the pressures to 36psi and it at least became bearable... limited my speed to 50kms/hr to preserve both tyres and energy... The total distance was 388kms, and I arrived at Birdsville with 42kms showing. The journey took 7.5 hrs.
Interesting stuff, thanks, PWE
I've never been out there, but know that lot's of you have.
How does 70kph on DDR, then 50 on BDR & 7.5 hrs Windorah - Birdsville stack up ??? Much slower than "normal" or acceptable ???
Post by: plusnq on July 09, 2019, 09:08:59 AM
Interesting stuff, thanks, PWE
I've never been out there, but know that lot's of you have.
How does 70kph on DDR, then 50 on BDR & 7.5 hrs Windorah - Birdsville stack up ??? Much slower than "normal" or acceptable ???
His biggest problem apart from range is clearance. The Tesla can lift a bit but not similar to 4WD. Also with low profile tyres he didnt feel he could lower them to below 30psi. That would have made for a very firm and uncomfortable ride. I was OP who met him and chatted and we could travel at 90-100 comfortably in the Defender on the BDR. His speed would obviously affect his range which was paramount on this trip.
Cheers
Post by: cardinal28 on July 09, 2019, 12:17:57 PM
Post by: Bird on July 09, 2019, 12:33:35 PM
Ok - lots of people are jumping on the EV bandwagon, But I want to know who pays fro the infrastructure and the power to recharge these things. Surely its not free??? ??? ???comes out of their rego... oh hang on they get discounts.. so whose that leave?
Post by: Fizzie on July 09, 2019, 04:58:29 PM
https://www.racq.com.au/Living/Articles/Cruising-the-EV-super-highway/?cmpid=GR:RA:ADV:LIV:ENG:LNEW:RoadtripJuly (https://www.racq.com.au/Living/Articles/Cruising-the-EV-super-highway/?cmpid=GR:RA:ADV:LIV:ENG:LNEW:RoadtripJuly)
So yes, it appears that it's becoming doable, but maybe not if you're in a hurry ???
& which of you bad, bad people was parked in the charging bay at Townsville ??? ;D
Post by: Spada on July 09, 2019, 05:58:16 PM
So yes, it appears that it's becoming doable, but maybe not if you're in a hurry ???
And the trip in that article took 4 days, and the last 200k of the journey was done with the car mandating a 80kph top speed on a single lane national highway? I wish they'd quantify their claimed carbon emissions savings? How do they think the electricity was generated? If they were paying the recharge costs, they would have only saved $100 odd? Personally, for the extra $100 in fuel I'd be happier to halve the trip time
I'm not really for or against electric, I can see there is a space for them in our modern world. An electric car with a 400km range would mean about fought-nightly recharges for my around town driving. But for a big trip, or a trip anywhere away from suburbia, I think it will be a fair while before I'd consider electric.
Post by: JD-120 on July 09, 2019, 06:02:41 PM
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Post by: trinityalyce on July 09, 2019, 09:16:56 PM
For city driving electric cars WILL have a place... and soon (though I'd debate the technology is not "average joe" ready just yet). For remote touring... well it'll be a while before they solve the questions I have. But that'll probably take less time than I'd like.
For someone who isn't afraid of tech, I'm actually pretty anti-tech in vehicles. But I'll be a dying breed soon enough... and I know that.
Post by: cardinal28 on July 10, 2019, 07:56:22 AM
i'm afraid it does not make much sense to me. If you are in not in any great hurry it might be ok but to take 4 days (the last part of the trip without air and travelling at 80k) plus 3 nights accommodation (Approx $300-$400) to save $240?. The trip also highlighted the fact that the recharging stations could fail (Tully) leaving you stranded. I think I will stick to fossil fuels for a bit longer. I wonder how the economy of the EV would go towing a camper etc?.
Post by: chester ver2.0 on July 10, 2019, 08:43:30 AM
Is now the time to make a squatters claim so far off the beaten track no one knows I'm there and start making my own biodiesel? >:D
For city driving electric cars WILL have a place... and soon (though I'd debate the technology is not "average joe" ready just yet). For remote touring... well it'll be a while before they solve the questions I have. But that'll probably take less time than I'd like.
For someone who isn't afraid of tech, I'm actually pretty anti-tech in vehicles. But I'll be a dying breed soon enough... and I know that.
Exactly my perfect in the shed vehicles would be the 200 series for outback touring and a Tesla 3 for my 14km commute to work and around town
Post by: Steffo1 on July 10, 2019, 04:16:07 PM
Exactly my perfect in the shed vehicles would be the 200 series for outback touring and a Tesla 3 for my 14km commute to work and around town
There's just no understanding of some people's tastes, hey? ;)
Post by: chester ver2.0 on July 11, 2019, 09:18:26 AM
There's just no understanding of some people's tastes, hey? ;)
Says you who has had not 1 but 2 Disco's
Post by: chester ver2.0 on July 11, 2019, 09:20:20 AM
Is there a reason behind this like the panels will produce bugger all recharge in the overall scheme of things or some other reason???
Post by: Mace on July 11, 2019, 10:01:17 AM
Is there a reason behind this like the panels will produce bugger all recharge in the overall scheme of things
I remember reading somewhere a while ago that a full days sun charging might get you an extra 2 km range....
Post by: Rumpig on July 11, 2019, 12:30:58 PM
Post by: Wazza999 on July 11, 2019, 02:49:15 PM
https://www.chemistryviews.org/details/ezine/11164109/Diesel_or_Electric_Car.html?elq_mid=37273&elq_cid=8546057&utm_campaign=23454&utm_source=eloquaEmail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=20190702_Monthly_ChemistryViews2.html (https://www.chemistryviews.org/details/ezine/11164109/Diesel_or_Electric_Car.html?elq_mid=37273&elq_cid=8546057&utm_campaign=23454&utm_source=eloquaEmail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=20190702_Monthly_ChemistryViews2.html)
As I suspected, but had never seen the actual carbon accounting, electric vehicles in the only conclusively win in the emission stakes when the power generation is from renewable sources.
Post by: #jonesy on July 11, 2019, 03:28:39 PM
The future of electric vehicles is here now and in a couple of years well look back and wonder what we were worried about.
Post by: Bird on July 11, 2019, 03:37:08 PM
Quote from: #jonesy
The future of electric vehicles is here now and in a couple of years well look back and wonder what we were worried about.Couple of years from now they will also be 10x as advanced, batteries will be 100x as advanced, charging systems etc etc as the ugly Shitters are now.
You dont have to like change because it is 'here now'.
Post by: Mace on July 11, 2019, 03:52:47 PM
Couple of years from now they will also be 10x as advanced, batteries will be 100x as advanced, charging systems etc etc as the ugly Shitters are now.
You dont have to like change because it is 'here now'.
What people also dont realise is that in 20 or so years, the service station business model will be dead. Any business will be able to provide a re-charge service (probably via credit card), and parking meter/recharge stations will be a common sight in many streets. Re-charging will be a normal part of driving and parking your car. You wont need to go to a specialist business to fill up.
Post by: Spada on July 11, 2019, 04:54:56 PM
What people also dont realise is that in 20 or so years, the service station business model will be dead. Any business will be able to provide a re-charge service (probably via credit card), and parking meter/recharge stations will be a common sight in many streets. Re-charging will be a normal part of driving and parking your car. You wont need to go to a specialist business to fill up.
The 1950's style drive in diner (remember Happy Days?) might end up being reincarnated as recharge stations surrounding a stand alone coffee club, or the Macca's carpark might have 100 super fast charging docks? You can bet there will be some sort of retail food outlet with a car park full of fast chargers. Just like those supercentres that are dotted all along the highway now, but without bowsers?
Post by: trinityalyce on July 11, 2019, 07:02:59 PM
If it was a hundred years ago, this forum would be called "MyCart". Everyone would be telling stories about their 2 horsepower buggy and km per bale of hay. Complaining about those new fangled automobile things. They would never take off as you have to find somewhere who has petroleum distillate or whatever that stuff is called. If my horse won't go a quick stop to eat some grass and we're off!
The future of electric vehicles is here now and in a couple of years well look back and wonder what we were worried about.
You're bang on the money there, I think.
Doesn't mean some of us won't catch up kicking and screaming when we're forced to, though. ;) Me included... LOL.
Post by: #jonesy on July 11, 2019, 07:19:32 PM
The 1950's style drive in diner (remember Happy Days?) might end up being reincarnated as recharge stations surrounding a stand alone coffee club, or the Macca's carpark might have 100 super fast charging docks? You can bet there will be some sort of retail food outlet with a car park full of fast chargers. Just like those supercentres that are dotted all along the highway now, but without bowsers?Might bring back the old Drive In Movies.
Go watch a show while you recharge.
Post by: rockrat on July 11, 2019, 07:33:10 PM
Couple of years from now they will also be 10x as advanced, batteries will be 100x as advanced, charging systems etc etc as the ugly Shitters are now.I think you’re right Bird, but I think it will take more than a couple of years, might actually take a couple of decades.
You dont have to like change because it is 'here now'.
In terms of motive power alone nothing beats electric power for simplicity and efficiency. Just need energy storage technology to catch up be it batteries, hydrogen fuel cells or some currently unknown/unworkable solution such as fusion reactors.
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Post by: Steffo1 on July 11, 2019, 07:36:11 PM
I can't wait to see these power lines strung across The Sandy Straits so as to service the squillion vehicles on Fraser at Easter. The Manta Ray could be turned into a "Trolley Barge", just like the old trolley buses.
I hope Puma get on board so I get my 4 cents a Kw discount with my RACQ membership. :D
Post by: Steffo1 on July 11, 2019, 07:51:02 PM
https://youtu.be/aqF86AbtjrU (https://youtu.be/aqF86AbtjrU)
Post by: Bird on July 11, 2019, 08:05:19 PM
The 1950's style drive in diner (remember Happy Days?) might end up being reincarnated as recharge stations surrounding a stand alone coffee club, or the Macca's carpark might have 100 super fast charging docks? You can bet there will be some sort of retail food outlet with a car park full of fast chargers. Just like those supercentres that are dotted all along the highway now, but without bowsers?would have been kewl to be around in that era I reckon
(https://s3.drafthouse.com/images/made/american-graffiti-1_756_426_81_s.jpg)
Post by: gronk on July 11, 2019, 08:06:20 PM
You dont have to like change because it is 'here now'.
It might be coming, but it's not here yet !!
Have a check of the total full electric car sales for the past year.......1277...but they reckon it will double every year, so in another 20 yrs, it will have "taken" off !!
Post by: rockrat on July 11, 2019, 08:16:01 PM
It might be coming, but it's not here yet !!1277 doubling every year means 1.3M sales a year in 10 years - about 200k more than get sold each year now in Australia. That said the rate of increase will likely drop as time goes by - still a crap load of new cars though
Have a check of the total full electric car sales for the past year.......1277...but they reckon it will double every year, so in another 20 yrs, it will have "taken" off !!
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Post by: chester ver2.0 on July 12, 2019, 09:21:39 AM
What people also dont realise is that in 20 or so years, the service station business model will be dead. Any business will be able to provide a re-charge service (probably via credit card), and parking meter/recharge stations will be a common sight in many streets. Re-charging will be a normal part of driving and parking your car. You wont need to go to a specialist business to fill up.
Next Gen will apparently not even be a plug that you have to connect. It will be like a pad or plate that you park on that will charge it back up
Post by: Champin on July 12, 2019, 12:30:07 PM
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Post by: Bird on July 12, 2019, 06:34:08 PM
In the people's republic of Victoria we struggle to find enough electricity to get us through the summer months as it is. Reckon they better giddy up and find us some more before we all go EV.GOLD!`
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Post by: gronk on July 12, 2019, 07:27:05 PM
In the people's republic of Victoria we struggle to find enough electricity to get us through the summer months as it is. Reckon they better giddy up and find us some more before we all go EV.
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Maybe another NEW power station ????? And COAL at that.......dirty, unpopular....but cheap and reliable !!
Post by: Bird on July 13, 2019, 08:57:27 PM
https://www.mcnews.com.au/harley-davidson-live-wire-2020/ (https://www.mcnews.com.au/harley-davidson-live-wire-2020/)
152klm range - the killer
From a normal 240-volt power outlet you get about 18km of range per hour charged
Post by: Champin on July 13, 2019, 09:13:13 PM
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Post by: Bird on July 13, 2019, 09:15:38 PM
I'm trying to picture a mob of bandidos or jokers rolling past on electric bikes.as they go on their annual interstate run from Qld to Perth @150klms between charges
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picture the fleet of HSV's following (harley support vehicles)
Post by: Foo on July 14, 2019, 07:18:04 AM
Who woudl ever think it - a HARLEY DAVIDSON .. electric bike
https://www.mcnews.com.au/harley-davidson-live-wire-2020/ (https://www.mcnews.com.au/harley-davidson-live-wire-2020/)
152klm range - the killer
From a normal 240-volt power outlet you get about 18km of range per hour charged
Next thing they'll be puttin some of these on them! :angel: ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNAvyylK5Wo
Foo
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on July 14, 2019, 11:38:06 PM
Who woudl ever think it - a HARLEY DAVIDSON .. electric bikeNice little earner, following the parade with a multi-KW 3Ph. Generator to pump them back up again.
https://www.mcnews.com.au/harley-davidson-live-wire-2020/ (https://www.mcnews.com.au/harley-davidson-live-wire-2020/)
152klm range - the killer
From a normal 240-volt power outlet you get about 18km of range per hour charged
Post by: #jonesy on July 15, 2019, 05:39:29 AM
Post by: Bird on July 15, 2019, 09:41:38 AM
Quote from: #jonesy
Range is only 113 km at 110 kph. Barely enough to go from one town to the next. Going for a weekend ride would be over in an hour.one of the guys in the club bought a boat anchor Sportster back in the day, and with its tiny tank, and some engine work etc, it didnt get much more than that... we used to piss ourselves laughing as he did servo to servo... sometimes we'd pick a route just to piss him off that was longer :D
Post by: chester ver2.0 on July 15, 2019, 10:46:26 AM
In the people's republic of Victoria we struggle to find enough electricity to get us through the summer months as it is. Reckon they better giddy up and find us some more before we all go EV.
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Thats because you are a bunch of sissies ooooohhhhh its too hot in summer.... oooohhhh its too cold in winter
Harden up
Post by: Champin on July 15, 2019, 10:59:16 AM
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Post by: plusnq on July 15, 2019, 12:07:22 PM
I am hardening up mate. I'm starting with my arteries
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;D ;D ;D :cheers: