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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: alnjan on February 08, 2019, 01:26:24 PM
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Following on from some of the posts in the Rants about PC Equality.
Was sitting down with the bride the other day and talking about things as we occasionally do and the subject from one of those news media talk shows was about gender equality and now there is a push for 'Women Vote'
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/pm/women-vote-lobby-group-scrutinise-policies-lead-up-fed-election/10791374 (https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/pm/women-vote-lobby-group-scrutinise-policies-lead-up-fed-election/10791374)
Now we have nothing against anybody doing or trying anything if that is what they want to do. What we don't believe in is a quota to achieve 'equality'.
Having been in a large Government organisation which for some time has been using an unofficial quota to equalise things, I have repeatedly seen the downside of a quota system and it only strengthens my faith in the best person for the job, regardless of gender, race, religion or other division. Not the most meritorious, as that system is as equally rorted as a quota system.
As our conversation continued on the subject of equality and following on from the great debacle last year, how long will it take for the LGBTQ to step up again and want there share of the quota system. Which naturally just throws the quota into a head spin.
Bit like dealing cards, you know, one for you, one for me, one for you one me, hang one, one for him, one her, one for him/her, one for her/him ....and so on for the other 69 identified genders. All vying for the same job the same pay etc.
And at the end of the day, those that would be terrific at that job unfortunately continue to be overlooked as their turn to join hasn't come up yet, while the job mill continues to pump out either incompetent and/or incapable 'workers' all for the sake of equality.
I guess one day, maybe not this millennium, the pendulum may swing back to people just being people, not a gender, race, religion or other division and things may settle back down again but in the meantime it could be an interesting time.
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I agree wholeheartedly, best qualified person for the job, not the person with the best appendages or lack of.
Before my retirement I was looking for a new rep, short listed down to eight for interviews, 6 blokes and two women. Employed one of the women, highly qualified, good personal skills, professional manner and I am pleased to say my faith in her has been justified, she is now in a management role in marketing for a major tool supplier nationally and globally.
If you are best suited for the position offered you should get the job.
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That's the way it should be Pottsy, almost a Natural Selection, choosing the best person and potentially improving the field as you go.
Current way is another way of dumbing us down to the lowest or weakest link and everyone gets a medal for being the slowest.
I have worked with some great people and it massively improves performance all round.
Had the displeasure of others being at the workplace and stuff all achieved.
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I agree 100%, there is the real risk and I have seen it personally that people are seen by their peers to have only got the job because of their Gender or skin colour etc.. This causes angst and breeds a terrible culture in the workplace. It should always be best person for the job regardless of anything..
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Tokenism undermines the bloody great work done by those who are good enough to get it done. Full stop. I work in the construction industry with great people who are great at their job, many from various minorities and plenty of ladies - all of whom would have their pride and credibility hurt by mandated tokenism.
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Thing I've noticed about these gender types, and some other minority groups, is that they all lobby to be treated equally - but they want special treatment because they're a minority.
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I work for one of the big financial sector companies and it’s very obvious they have a quota when hiring and promoting
• If you’re a middle age white male – below average chance of getting that job
• Gay white male - above average chance
• Gay Aboriginal male - Jobs just about guaranteed
• Married Female with school Kids - below average chance
• Single white Female – above average chance
• Aboriginal Female - Sure thing to get the job
• Lesbian Aboriginal Female - Jobs just about guaranteed
• Transgender – no need to even go for the interview as it’s yours
In saying that, I've worked with at least one person in each of the above categories and most deserve the role as they do a fantastic job. But then there are the ones who are just making up the numbers
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But then there are the ones who are just making up the numbers
and thats the issue with the whole PC bullShit world.. as someone said should be the best PERSON regardless if they are male or felame.
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I work for one of the big financial sector companies and it’s very obvious they have a quota when hiring and promoting
• If you’re a middle age white male – below average chance of getting that job
• Gay white male - above average chance
• Gay Aboriginal male - Jobs just about guaranteed
• Married Female with school Kids - below average chance
• Single white Female – above average chance
• Aboriginal Female - Sure thing to get the job
• Lesbian Aboriginal Female - Jobs just about guaranteed
• Transgender – no need to even go for the interview as it’s yours
In saying that, the majority of Female managers deserve the role as they do a fantastic job. But then there are the ones who are just making up the numbers
I trust, therefore BM, that you were employed by these people pre PC ;D ;D
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I trust, therefore BM, that you were employed by these people pre PC ;D ;D
Correct as I now fall into the cranky old man section :cheers:
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Correct as I now fall into the cranky old man section :cheers:
Which probably makes you number one on the "People to get rid of" list! >:D
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How about this for PC - Microsoft now in Skype - you can make your emoji's - different skin colours - god help you if you send the wrong colour to the wrong person.
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How about this for PC - Microsoft now in Skype - you can make your emoji's - different skin colours - god help you if you send the wrong colour to the wrong person.
👍🏾👍🏿👍🏻
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(https://i.imgflip.com/2tgg3b.jpg)
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(https://i.imgflip.com/2tgg3b.jpg)
So am I, as a right handed person.
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So I just in the middle of changing ISP's and needed a new 'generic' email addy.. so registered another Gmail.
Under sex...
MALE....
FELAME...
Rather not say...
or.......
CUSTOM!!!! WTF is custom?!
Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus, and all other made up genders are from Uranus
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So I just in the middle of changing ISP's and needed a new 'generic' email addy.. so registered another Gmail.
Under sex...
MALE....
FELAME...
Rather not say...
or.......
CUSTOM!!!! WTF is custom?!
Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus, and all other made up genders are from Uranus
So what was your Custom Gender?
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So what was your Custom Gender?
White Male with a job... :P
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And here I was thinking we were going to talk about everybody getting a similar computer :D
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And here I was thinking we were going to talk about everybody getting a similar computer :D
Only if you refer to that one computer by it's own gender, do not gender profile or make assumptions about it's gender based on your own perceptions, bias or discrimination. Each computer is allowed to be free to be who and/or what it identifies as and you have no rights to go against it's freedom.
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I like this blokes outlook on these equality issues. This is about gender pay gap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhpowcYxPkw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhpowcYxPkw)
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I like this blokes outlook on these equality issues. This is about gender pay gap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhpowcYxPkw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhpowcYxPkw)
Gender pay gap is a myth.
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Gender pay gap is a myth.
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Although it is lower than it has been in the last 10 years, it still exists. Well according to statistics it does.
https://www.wgea.gov.au/data/fact-sheets/gender-pay-gap-statistics-2017-18 (https://www.wgea.gov.au/data/fact-sheets/gender-pay-gap-statistics-2017-18)
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I like this blokes outlook on these equality issues. This is about gender pay gap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhpowcYxPkw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhpowcYxPkw)
I like Issac Butterfields versions
NSFW - Lots of naughty words. and very much not PC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptu99Xudkfw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptu99Xudkfw)
https://www.facebook.com/Thebuttsmarn/videos/...gender-pay-gap.../1080862662088205 (https://www.facebook.com/Thebuttsmarn/videos/...gender-pay-gap.../1080862662088205)
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Although it is lower than it has been in the last 10 years, it still exists. Well according to statistics it does.
https://www.wgea.gov.au/data/fact-sheets/gender-pay-gap-statistics-2017-18 (https://www.wgea.gov.au/data/fact-sheets/gender-pay-gap-statistics-2017-18)
They actually have a workplace gender equality agency? I guess they have to make the stats so they can continue to exist.
In my circumstance my wife earns significantly more then I do. Even with her going on maternity leave next month she will still earn more then me this year. In her role she had to negotiate her base wage plus everyone gets the same bonus if they meet their targets. Herself and her friend both out earn the guys in the office because they work hard, she gets angry because some of the blokes in her office bludge but they also don’t get remunerated as well because of their work ethic.
In my job, everyone is paid the same depending on rank, time in service etc but blokes and women get paid the same.
However a lot of females choose to go part time, have time off after kids etc so of course they aren’t going to get paid as much.
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So I just in the middle of changing ISP's and needed a new 'generic' email addy.. so registered another Gmail.
Under sex...
MALE....
FELAME...
Rather not say...
or.......
CUSTOM!!!! WTF is custom?!
Did a survey a while back &, as always, they asked for gender.
Choices:
Male
Female
Non-binary
Transgender
Gender Fluid
Other (Specify)
???
Have done another one since that had I think 8 or 9 options ???
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Although it is lower than it has been in the last 10 years, it still exists. Well according to statistics it does.
https://www.wgea.gov.au/data/fact-sheets/gender-pay-gap-statistics-2017-18 (https://www.wgea.gov.au/data/fact-sheets/gender-pay-gap-statistics-2017-18)
Stats are wonderful things. Percentages really are a very inadequate way of measuring things. Male and Female doing the same job should earn the same pay. Just because the greater percentage of males are on a higher pay scale does not mean there is a gender pay gap. Just means there are less woman doing the higher paid jobs.
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Stats are wonderful things. Percentages really are a very inadequate way of measuring things. Male and Female doing the same job should earn the same pay. Just because the greater percentage of males are on a higher pay scale does not mean there is a gender pay gap. Just means there are less woman doing the higher paid jobs.
Wow........THANK YOU.
A common sense approach to a subject.
I agree statistics and percentages can be manipulated to prove anything you want.
100% of farmers killed on quad bikes were wearing pants at the time, so the evidence shows that pants are dangerous!!!!
Political spin can be put on anything.
Common sense needs to prevail.
Are you ready to run for parliament???
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Wow........THANK YOU.
A common sense approach to a subject.
I agree statistics and percentages can be manipulated to prove anything you want.
100% of farmers killed on quad bikes were wearing pants at the time, so the evidence shows that pants are dangerous!!!!
Political spin can be put on anything.
Common sense needs to prevail.
Are you ready to run for parliament???
8) just trying to be Medically Retired, already had enough of dealing with certain members of the Community
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Stats are wonderful things. Percentages really are a very inadequate way of measuring things. Male and Female doing the same job should earn the same pay. Just because the greater percentage of males are on a higher pay scale does not mean there is a gender pay gap. Just means there are less woman doing the higher paid jobs.
"Most people use statistics like a drunk using a lamppost. More for support than illumination." - Mark Twain
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Stats are wonderful things. Percentages really are a very inadequate way of measuring things. Male and Female doing the same job should earn the same pay. Just because the greater percentage of males are on a higher pay scale does not mean there is a gender pay gap. Just means there are less woman doing the higher paid jobs.
http://freakonomics.com/podcast/what-can-uber-teach-us-about-the-gender-pay-gap/ (http://freakonomics.com/podcast/what-can-uber-teach-us-about-the-gender-pay-gap/)
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Interesting article.
One really good bit that I saw was this:
"What is the overall driver attrition rate? I don’t know whether it’s measured in six months or a year, or whatever.
DIAMOND: Yes, six months is what we’ve been looking at.
LIST: More than 60 percent of those who start driving are no longer active on the platform six months later.
DIAMOND: So the six-month attrition rate for the whole U.S. for men is about 63 percent, and for women it’s about 76 percent."
63% of blokes & 76% of women have given it away before the end of their first 6 months :o
I think that says everything you ever wanted to know about driving for Uber! >:D
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So in the light of the posts on Gender Pay Gap, we should be looking at anecdotal observation rather than actual numbers. OK, now I get it.
ABS and WGEA data both show a gender pay gap favouring full-time working men over full-time working women in every industry and occupational category in Australia.
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So in the light of the posts on Gender Pay Gap, we should be looking at anecdotal observation rather than actual numbers. OK, now I get it.
There isn't a question in regard to who earns more, that is obviously males, but the question in regard to the gender pay gap is are males earning more than females because they are males, when you do a multivariate analysis (taking into account time in the workforce, risk loadings etc etc etc) the gender pay gap disappears.
If you want some research to back it up it's here https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/jel.20160995 (https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/jel.20160995)
And anecdotally, if business owners could pay women less to do the same job, I think they would all be employing women.
And for a laugh, this interview is worth a watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54) start at about 5:20 for the gender pay gap bit.
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I know the women here at work spend at least 5x the amount of time talking gossip and outside smoking than the blokes.
One of the previous places I worked I got the Shits with the amount of time the smokers took, so I joined them one day... the boss didn't take it well and a new policy came out week later, and that was the end of my time there.
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I know the women here at work spend at least 5x the amount of time talking gossip and outside smoking than the blokes.
One of the previous places I worked I got the Shits with the amount of time the smokers took, so I joined them one day... the boss didn't take it well and a new policy came out week later, and that was the end of my time there.
The majority of the time I spend outside smoking (or vaping depending on the day) is spent catching up with colleagues about work stuff without the interruptions of phones ringing etc... I also learn a lot about what other departments are up to, which has been of benefit in the past.
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The majority of the time I spend outside smoking (or vaping depending on the day) is spent catching up with colleagues about work stuff without the interruptions of phones ringing etc... I also learn a lot about what other departments are up to, which has been of benefit in the past.
We have a BBQ occasionally to do that.. suggested to boss one day to buy a cheap bunnings BBQ - and he did! we've had several now, with different dept's taking turns to run it, but always snags and arseholes :D
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One of the previous places I worked I got the Shits with the amount of time the smokers took, so I joined them one day... the boss didn't take it well and a new policy came out week later, and that was the end of my time there.
Not just smokers wasting time. Go-Out-For-Coffee drinkers have jumped on the take-it-easy bandwagon too....
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Not just smokers wasting time. Go-Out-For-Coffee drinkers have jumped on the take-it-easy bandwagon too....
Our whole financial department stops for almost 2 hours everyday while they dawdle down to the cafe and get a round of soy decaf lattes a couple of times a day..... ::)
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Our whole financial department stops for almost 2 hours everyday while they dawdle down to the cafe and get a round of soy decaf lattes a couple of times a day..... ::)
Time to bring back the old clock in clock off cards. Come pay day, get paid for the amount of time you are actually on the job, not just at 'work'. 8)