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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: areyonga on November 14, 2012, 09:03:55 PM
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There is an announcement on another forum that says that the gates are locked and people who had paid deposits and others need to discuss with the receivers. :'(
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There is an announcement on another forum that says that the gates are locked and people who had paid deposits and others need to discuss with the receivers. :'(
thats heartbreakin for some people..
but lets find out what the go is first...
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Hoping it is not true as yes it will be very heartbreaking. :'(
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Holly Sh...t how lucky were we someones looking after us only 3 weeks ago i was on the phone numerous times sorting out with them what i wanted in my Barcoo, had negotiated the price and next phone call was to put in the order and pay deposit.Then wife calls out i found a second hand one on Gumtree i said your kidding me sure enough there was and its sitting out the front now and is like brand new the guy never used it.To busy earning money in the mines.I feel sorry for Terry and Sue i just hope its not because of these Chinese imports.
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Nobody knows if its true or not yet.
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If this is true and they had been taking money from people and they knew they were in trouble they should be sitting in a cell at Wacol..... not good enough....
By the way the website is still up and running...
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Nobody knows if its true or not yet.
There website is still up and running and when you call there number it goes to after hrs .
More to follow
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There is an announcement on another forum that says that the gates are locked and people who had paid deposits and others need to discuss with the receivers. :'(
What is this mysterious 'other' forum...
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Phone: (07)5547 8617
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What is this mysterious 'other' forum...
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One would have to be carefull not to start spreading unconfirmed info on a public forum. ???
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I've just read a post on CTOrg's website supposedly posted by a purchaser who had paid a deposit and was to collect his camper next week stating that the doors had been closed and he couldn't raise the owners. He was looking for others in similar circumstances to collectively contact the receiver to discuss the situation.
Hope that helps.
Cheers
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If this is true and they had been taking money from people and they knew they were in trouble they should be sitting in a cell at Wacol..... not good enough....
By the way the website is still up and running...
So, if true, trading insolvent ... whod'a thunk... Not just the purchasers deposits either, also employees entitlements.
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So, if true, trading insolvent ... whod'a thunk... Not just the purchasers deposits either, also employees entitlements.
Happens too often.....
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I've just read a post on CTOrg's website supposedly posted by a purchaser who had paid a deposit and was to collect his camper next week stating that the doors had been closed and he couldn't raise the owners. He was looking for others in similar circumstances to collectively contact the receiver to discuss the situation.
Hope that helps.
Cheers
No help what so ever! CTOrg's chat is only on thursday night. Where was the post located?
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Called them and it just goes to after hours message.
sounds like...
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Then again it has happened before when it was a family emergency and people hafve had to do ****...
wait and see.
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No help what so ever! CTOrg's chat is only on thursday night. Where was the post located?
The post is in their Yahoo membership site. Do you think I made it up?
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Read where people have been trying to contact them for 3 days with no luck.
Its all speculation at the moment who knows could be family emergency etc.
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Asic website search
https://connectonline.asic.gov.au/RegistrySearch/faces/adf.task-flow?adf.tfId=panelSearch&adf.tfDoc=/taskflows/panelSearch.xml&searchText=jimboomba%20campers&searchType=OrgAndBusNm
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I have no idea about the CT business being discussed here, but it is a good reminder to only ever pay the absolute minimum deposit no matter what u are buying........ if a manufacturer wants more than your willing to pay, maybe look elsewhere.....
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I have no idea about the CT business being discussed here, but it is a good reminder to only ever pay the absolute minimum deposit no matter what u are buying........ if a manufacturer wants more than your willing to pay, maybe look elsewhere.....
Good advice as i said earlier we would have had to pay at least 10% which would have been $1500.And that was 3 weeks ago and they were prepared to take our order and deposit.Theres probably alot more to the story as it wasnt long ago that Terry went to the Cape and back to promote his CTs .Maybe they thought that they could get out of the trouble they were in. Its sad when you see a good aussie buisness like this go under sign of the times trying to compete with Chinese imports its also happening here with our local CT builder.
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This would be a shame for all concerned' the proprietors, current owners and anyone who had left a deposit and not collected yet.
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Nothing is confirmed. People really shouldn't be commenting, judging, or making assumptions until a statement or similar is made by the company, a representative, or its receivers.
Surely they deserve that level of respect at this point.
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Its sad when you see a good aussie buisness like this go under sign of the times trying to compete with Chinese imports its also happening here with our local CT builder.
I agree, it is sad to see, however the imports aren't wholly to blame. The popularity of camper trailers has exploded in the past few years, with more and more manufacturers competing for our business. It has almost reached saturation point, they have to come up with bigger and better ideas to sell their product while trying to operate on tighter margins.
Add to this the very strong second hand market and yes, cheaper imports, and unfortunately something has to give.
I hope they haven't gone under, as they are quite an established company, and that there is some other explanation for their silence.
Cheers
Matt
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Nothing is confirmed. People really shouldn't be commenting, judging, or making assumptions until a statement or similar is made by the company, a representative, or its receivers.
Surely they deserve that level of respect at this point.
Totally agree Spargo. All this speculation and no real proof. What if there is some other explanation?
All this hype could now cost them sales. Business is tough enough these days without rumors costing sales as well.
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Being an established business surely a message should be left on their phone system. Also has any one gone past their business to see if they are closed.
Hopefully things will work out for them.
Mark
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There is at least one on there facebook page who has payed half his money :'( :'(
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The post is in their Yahoo membership site. Do you think I made it up?
Nope just don't do Yahooooooooo is all.
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Not good if its the case, all too common these days in this economic climate.
BD
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Looks like their Facebook page has disappeared overnight.....I checked it last night and it was these but now it's gone.
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Nothing is confirmed. People really shouldn't be commenting, judging, or making assumptions until a statement or similar is made by the company, a representative, or its receivers.
Surely they deserve that level of respect at this point.
A sign on the door. A message on the phone. Not hard really.
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Totally agree Spargo. All this speculation and no real proof. What if there is some other explanation?
All this hype could now cost them sales. Business is tough enough these days without rumors costing sales as well.
I see your point but I have to disagree with you guys , if the reputation is being damadged they could have left a message on the phone or thier facebook page, website etc ..there really is no excuse these days to just dissapear when you are holding peoples money , yes it may be a family emergeny or the like but a simple post or recorded message could have explained that.
I'd say this will spread like wildfire and the damage is already done, people use social media to advertise but you have to except it's a doubble edged sword, the fact it is even being disscussed is the damage done..
If the doors opened next week would you race in with a 5K deposit ??
Still sad
Jet
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We are a customer or jimboomba who has paid half of our camper off and was expecting to pick up in 2 weeks. No phone call or notice to tell us what was going on. Spoke to them on Monday and got obviously a heap of lies. So for those people saying they deserve better then to be spoken about when nothing has come out yet, we'll try being one of the people they owe money or a camper too! We spoke to the paper and they confirmed they have gone bust!
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$10000 paid and no camper no communication. I know it's tough out there with this economy but come on people this was a family owned business they should have more consideration for the people that they were taking there money from. We are a young family that have saved for ages for this and we were planning a trip for Christmas! Now we don't even know who to contact to get our money back or should I say try to get our money back.
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Just heard that Jimboomba campers have gone bust
« on: Yesterday at 09:03:55 PM »
There is an announcement on another forum that says that the gates are locked and people who had paid deposits and others need to discuss with the receivers.
Who are the receivers then? Does anyone know?
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Sorry to here that this has happened to you Luke. I hope you get your money back.
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$10000 paid and no camper no communication. I know it's tough out there with this economy but come on people this was a family owned business they should have more consideration for the people that they were taking there money from. We are a young family that have saved for ages for this and we were planning a trip for Christmas! Now we don't even know who to contact to get our money back or should I say try to get our money back.
Luke mate so sorry to hear that hope it turns out for you as i explained earlier today i was just about to pay deposit 3 weeks ago only my wife found the second hand one while i was on the phone so we immediately changed our minds we are now thinking our lucky stars,Good luck
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What is a surprise is that there is not more of this happening. A quick look at the poll on what CT members own, not to mention the various shows around the country, reveals far too many manufacturers for our population and market. Compare to cars which EVERYONE has and there would be a quarter of the sellers out there. Applying basic maths to this means the number of sales for most companies (excluding jayco and one or two others) is so small that it would only take a very small drop in sales to kill a business.
Feel very sorry for any people who have deposits to recover, and as stated there is no excuse for continuing to take money for orders> all at the business would be well aware of any financial crisis.
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Just heard that Jimboomba campers have gone bust
« on: Yesterday at 09:03:55 PM »
There is an announcement on another forum that says that the gates are locked and people who had paid deposits and others need to discuss with the receivers.
Who are the receivers then? Does anyone know?
Sorry to hear you've lost out on this.
If receivers are involved I believe they should be in touch with you soon with the proposal of what will happen
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Regretfully no one knows how bad the debt will be.
Naturally the tax man and banks are first for what they are owed and then creditors last.
Contact the receivers once you find out who they are with your receipts etc.
Mark
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Spoke to them on Monday and got obviously a heap of lies.
what exactly were you told??
And why on gods earth would you pay more than BARE MINIMUM deposit?
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We were told it will be ready in two weeks and the hold up had been because the canvas makers had changed as the old company went bust.
We paid the minimum deposit and then 2 progress payments as they told us too! Thanks for making us feel even worse!
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Thanks for making us feel even worse!
obviously that was my sole intentoin >:(
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We were told it will be ready in two weeks and the hold up had been because the canvas makers had changed as the old company went bust.
We paid the minimum deposit and then 2 progress payments as they told us too! Thanks for making us feel even worse!
Sorry to hear that Luke, 10k or 1k it's still a lot of money that know body can do without. I hope it works out for you. Keep us informed of how it goes.
Cheers
rich
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Thanks, I'm sure there is more people out there just like us.
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luke07 it must be a horrible feeling. If I was you I would be a very squeaky wheel with the owners/receivers/administrators whoever is handling the businesses affairs. It may not help but id still be trying to be sqeakier than anyone else.
I hope everyone who has paid a deposit gets it back before the banks :(
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Luke... Get in touch with your bank pronto if you paid by credit card and lodge a dispute of transaction. If you paid by bank cheque try that as well. We have done this successfully when a similar thing was done to us some years ago.
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This is terrible news, I hope that it is a misunderstanding and that it will resolve itself.
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Luke, if you paid by credit card, you should be able to stop the transaction. The banks are pretty good with those. If you paid by other means I hope it all works out for you. You never know what may happen. Look at trackabout... They got bought out and I believe orders were honored. You never know. Just hope for the best. Good luck.
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obviously that was my sole intentoin >:(
And yet you still said it without knowing all the facts. >:( >:(
I hope it all works out for you luke.
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We were told it will be ready in two weeks and the hold up had been because the canvas makers had changed as the old company went bust.
We paid the minimum deposit and then 2 progress payments as they told us too! Thanks for making us feel even worse!
Don't worry about about armchair critics, focus on the more important issues.
Give the bank idea a go, and get in touch with the receivers asap.
Not sure how optimistic I'd be on getting fully reimbursed. Start by make as much noise as you can in the process.
I understand how stress full this situation is, but all the worrying in the world won't change the outcome.
As a wise Buddhist once said " If you can solve your problem, then what is the need of worry? If you cannot solve it, then what is the use of worrying?
Wishing you all the best.
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Not a good story to hear. I hope you can recover your hard earned coin Luke. All the best to you and your family.
Cheers.
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Luke sorry to hear of your woes and good luck with it.
FYI you will generally get your credit card payments back if you dispute with the bank. Other payments not so lucky. Additionally a reciever may choose to trade on and generate some cash.
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If everything else fails ask the receivers to give you the trailer as is. Maybe it’s 50% or even 90% complete, so something is better than nothing.
LOST - That was a low blow with that comment. Luke like the rest of us when having items builds needs to pay progress payments.
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Hi Luke
Really hope things work out for the better and you manage to get all or something back.
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LOST - That was a low blow with that comment. Luke like the rest of us when having items builds needs to pay progress payments.
Mine never did, and only 1 person I know (trackmaster) has had a trailer built in Melbourne has had to make progress payments.. And if you cant see that wasnt my intention when I said it, DILLIGAF what you think...
None of this helps the possible numerous people who are in ****... But I hope more people start to refuse to pay progress payments. Specially in this environment.
If the product (trailer, shed, whatever it is) is good enough, it will sell if you buy it or not and the seller should have no problem building it and selling it tomorrow to the next bloke.. Pay ya $1000 deposit and sit back.
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I will definitely being doing that in future lost. Not sure if anyone else is in the same boat as us but the jimboomba campers has not registered with ASIC yet to say receivership so at this stage they are classed as doing illegal business and you can make a legal claim through fair trading. They have vanished! Which to me is pretty gutless! They could just give us what they have made of our camper if they have done anything they were supposed to. Now it's s long road for us to even try get our money back and we are in square one again trying to decide on the best camper to get! We were so excited to be getting a jimboomba one and now it is heart breaking! Thanks everyone for your words of encouragement. Will keep you posted.
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I will definitely being doing that in future lost. Not sure if anyone else is in the same boat as us but the jimboomba campers has not registered with ASIC yet to say receivership so at this stage they are classed as doing illegal business and you can make a legal claim through fair trading. They have vanished! Which to me is pretty gutless! They could just give us what they have made of our camper if they have done anything they were supposed to. Now it's s long road for us to even try get our money back and we are in square one again trying to decide on the best camper to get! We were so excited to be getting a jimboomba one and now it is heart breaking! Thanks everyone for your words of encouragement. Will keep you posted.
Very sad to hear of your situation Luke, firstly we have owned a Jimboomba C/T for two years and could not be any happier with the product and I would say 100% of owners on here would back me up. Secondly I do not know what has happened with their Management, things could have went a bit pear shaped like with Johnny (Trackabout) and people came in pretty quickly and got it going again, I think the same will happen here. Stick it out mate and I think you will end up with your great Jimboomba C/T.
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If everything else fails ask the receivers to give you the trailer as is. Maybe it’s 50% or even 90% complete, so something is better than nothing.
LOST - That was a low blow with that comment. Luke like the rest of us when having items builds needs to pay progress payments.
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Well said mate.
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Doesn't look good at all. They haven't gone into receivership they have just done a runner and packed everything up.
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Doesn't look good at all. They haven't gone into receivership they have just done a runner and packed everything up.
Very Sorry for you mate
Swannie
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Sometimes it's just too hard to face all the suppliers, employees and customers with your abject failure and ruin after you've hung on in complete shock and denial at what's overwhelming you.
Not saying that's how it should be or is in this case, but just saying that's how it is for some.
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Doesn't look good at all. They haven't gone into receivership they have just done a runner and packed everything up.
Alternately, they've had to sell everything they have for the business. That's usually how it goes with small business ... so you are left with the shirt on your back and memories.
They have a very good CT so I believe. Would be sad to see them go IF this is in fact the case.
Kit_e
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Thats shhiiiiiittt.
If I was out of pocket I would personally hunt the owners down myself.
Get their full name and find out where they live, knock on their front door, do what ever it takes to get your Shit back.
That would consume me until I got my product or money back..... >:(
If you don't have it in ya, there is always people who give real messages for small fee's.
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Thats shhiiiiiittt.
If I was out of pocket I would personally hunt the owners down myself.
Get their full name and find out where they live, knock on their front door, do what ever it takes to get your **** back.
That would consume me until I got my product or money back..... >:(
If you don't have it in ya, there is always people who give real messages for small fee's.
Ah yes i love the westy way lol
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If they really have done the runner, that's a rotten act. My heart goes out to those who are out of pocket. All the very very best to Luke & family and anyone else trying to get some answers to where their money has gone.
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Doesn't look good at all. They haven't gone into receivership they have just done a runner and packed everything up.
Do you know this for a fact or are assuming this? Where ate you getting your info from?
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Hey Luke, sorry to hear about your distress. Could I suggest that you take a drive to Jimboomba if you can and have a chat to some of the businesses that are Jimboomba Campers neighbours. Try the mower shop across the road or even the Panel Shop diagonally opposite, perhaps thay saw some movement of trailers etc. Just an idea to see if the place has been cleaned out. Jimboomba's not that bigga place.
All the best
Craig
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"None of this helps the possible numerous people who are in ****... But I hope more people start to refuse to pay progress payments. Specially in this environment."
Lost
Getting work mate in this environment is hard enough, without deposits and progress payment I could not trade,we are not a bank we run a business!!
Hoping more people refuse to pay progress payments is a joke!!
I often have to pay progress payments myself but I always check the progress claim coincides with work completed and happy to pay.
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I agree with Lost.
If the business you are dealing with wants progress payments, find another one to deal with.
I buy a car, Im pay 10% deposit.
I buy a house, I pay a 10% deposit.
I buy a CT, I pay a 10 % deposit.
If the business asks for more, or progress payments, that is a sure sign they are under financial stress. Ive been in business, I know the signs.
Find someone else to do business with in those circumstances.
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We have gotten our information from ASIC who register businesses, and there has been no receivership as yet. We have also been in contact with a company in jimboomba and they have hired one of there workers and have also gone for a look at the shop and it is empty cleared out....so all evidence at the moment is saying they have done a runner. But still not sure where all campers etc have been packed up too.
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Try the tv stations, a current affair etc , they may want to do a story and track down the owners.
Mark
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Not much info from a DNS search
Domain Name jimboombacampertrailers.com.au
Last Modified 30-Apr-2012 05:22:14 UTC
Registrar ID PlanetDomain
Registrar Name PlanetDomain
Status ok
Registrant MOORE, ROBERT ALLAN
Registrant ID ABN 63684523656
Eligibility Type Sole Trader
Eligibility Name Jimboomba Campertrailers
Registrant Contact ID ID00354451-PR
Registrant Contact Name Susan Willis
Registrant Contact Email sales@jimboombacampertrailers.com.au
Tech Contact ID ID00354451-PR
Tech Contact Name Susan Willis
Tech Contact Email sales@jimboombacampertrailers.com.au
Name Server ns2.icmshost.com
Name Server ns1.icmshost.com
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I agree with Lost.
If the business you are dealing with wants progress payments, find another one to deal with.
I buy a car, Im pay 10% deposit.
I buy a house, I pay a 10% deposit.
I buy a CT, I pay a 10 % deposit.
If the business asks for more, or progress payments, that is a sure sign they are under financial stress. Ive been in business, I know the signs.
Find someone else to do business with in those circumstances.
Yeah but if you build a house you pay progress payments......same as a ct or caravan generally.
Luke does your contract have any clausing about progress payments i.e. guarantees of completion etc?
Problem with that is that if the company goes into receivership, the receivers are not liable, it will come down to a business sale situation to determine the outcome.
If you want to PM me when you find out the receivers details I may be able to find out how they operate and your chances of getting your ct.
Cheers Nomad.
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If they have done a runner, the rules of engagement may have changed. Fraudulent behavior is dealt with rather differently.
And if they have it pretty poor form, and may just be a criminal matter.
Or maybe, and let's hope this is the case, the owners have taken the partially completed stock to another location in the hope of delivering at least something to the customers, who would otherwise miss out on any return after the big players got their pound of flesh.
Hopefully its the second scenario, but and if, why and wherefore, don't hold your breath.
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String em up by their goolies.... :police:
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Yeah but if you build a house you pay progress payments......same as a ct or caravan generally.
when we bought our KK all that was required was the deposit, rest paid on pick up
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I have got my wife to start a facebook page up. I know its a long shot, but I want to try and get in contact with other customers that are going through the same thing we are so that we can all pass on any information we have from talking to authorities etc etc.
I cant seem to paste the link to this, but if you type in Jimboomba Campers Closing Down. Please try and promote this page as much as yous can, it may not be any help in the long run but we are trying everything we can.
Thanks everyone for all your help.
So far the police have been involved but nothing as yet but fingers crossed. We wont go down without a fight, no one takes $10000 of my families hard earned savings and gets away with it. I have a wife and two kids to support, Im extremly disapointed at this point. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt at the start of the week thinking the family had some tragedy. Wasnt I wrong.
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I have got my wife to start a facebook page up. I know its a long shot, but I want to try and get in contact with other customers that are going through the same thing we are so that we can all pass on any information we have from talking to authorities etc etc.
I cant seem to paste the link to this, but if you type in Jimboomba Campers Closing Down. Please try and promote this page as much as yous can, it may not be any help in the long run but we are trying everything we can.
Thanks everyone for all your help.
So far the police have been involved but nothing as yet but fingers crossed. We wont go down without a fight, no one takes $10000 of my families hard earned savings and gets away with it. I have a wife and two kids to support, Im extremly disapointed at this point. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt at the start of the week thinking the family had some tragedy. Wasnt I wrong.
Luke my wife is furious about this to think they were going to take our deposit 3 weeks ago and not even build our CT .Something must have been adrift then because the owner of the secondhand one i purchased tryed to get info from them by email many times and they didnt respond.
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This isn't a dick swinging competition.
Its not how ner-ner-nee-ner-ner paid or did not. Its about the situation at hand.
Its not what's in anyone's hand at any given moment when they want to toss off on the intranet to all and sundry with their ex-spurt-tease.
Keep your holier than thou attitude for the electrical section, or the how kick arise is my four wheel dribble diatribe.
There a people hurting here, financially, on a lot of levels. Think about it, and tuck your wee willys in.
Luke and co may have a long road ahead, the last thing they need is nuck-nucks telling them it their fault, its not their fault, emphatically so not their fault.
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Luke, that's heartbreaking mate. I hope you have some luck chasing your camper or a refund.
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Luke,
PM sent with some assistance..
It's really disappointing to hear people do this. I own a number of businesses, some of which (my restuarants) which are struggling, but never in my right (or wrong) mind would i ever consider grabbing and running.. Just have to think about staff, reputation and trust me when karma does exist and people will get caught out..
Let me know if i can help.
Cheers
Justin
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How devastating for you and your family Luke :( Really hope you can get something sorted, whether it be a not completed camper, or your money back.
My husband went under many many moons ago, but even when him and his dad ended up out here in the bush, trying to live off the dole, they still made regular payments and cleared all there debts out of their dole payments. Not everyone has the same standard though....but you do have to wonder how some people can sleep at night
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This isn't a dick swinging competition.
Its not how ner-ner-nee-ner-ner paid or did not. Its about the situation at hand.
Its not what's in anyone's hand at any given moment when they want to toss off on the intranet to all and sundry with their ex-spurt-tease.
Keep your holier than thou attitude for the electrical section, or the how kick arise is my four wheel dribble diatribe.
There a people hurting here, financially, on a lot of levels. Think about it, and tuck your wee willys in.
Luke and co may have a long road ahead, the last thing they need is nuck-nucks telling them it their fault, its not their fault, emphatically so not their fault.
I don't think any of the previous posts were intended the way you have taken it. This is an information web site, people don't join looking for sympathy. It's great that we can get behind others with kind words, but I think the points being made were as much about learning and warning others about pitfalls when buying CT's. Granted that some may take this the wrong way, but you would find EVERY member who has posted here feels deeply for Luke and wishes him all the best.
It's his choice whether he reads the opinions and thoughts of others, and personally I have found the discussion topical and relevant.
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There was a post above about how a local business is now employing one of tvvere old employees. Can you contact them and get some further info from someone who was there at the time. Maybe they were there right up till the last moment. They might have some info in where the trailers went, what happened, further info etc.
worth a try.
Best of luck Luke07, we are, like many on here, feeling g for you right now.
Best of luck and keep us all informed.
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This isn't a dick swinging competition.
Its not how ner-ner-nee-ner-ner paid or did not. Its about the situation at hand.
Its not what's in anyone's hand at any given moment when they want to toss off on the intranet to all and sundry with their ex-spurt-tease.
Keep your holier than thou attitude for the electrical section, or the how kick arise is my four wheel dribble diatribe.
There a people hurting here, financially, on a lot of levels. Think about it, and tuck your wee willys in.
Luke and co may have a long road ahead, the last thing they need is nuck-nucks telling them it their fault, its not their fault, emphatically so not their fault.
I agree with this 100%.
Luke, i hope it all works out to a good finish for you. Most times, is this situation, the business owner will take the gear back to their own home or residence or a friends place.
See if you can find out where they live and report it to the cops.
Keep an eye out in the classifieds, IN CASE they try to unload stuff quickly and report it to the cops.
When i saw this story from the first post, it bought back really poor memories when we were zipped out of $35,000 in our prvious business on the Sunshine Coast. Long story, so won't go into it, but we fought a good honest fight, with barristers, solicitors, the works and won the initial case, only to then lose it on an appeal.
Add $9,000 worth of legal fee's, less $6,000 we were lucky enough to win by judgement.
All up, lots of heartache, wasted hours, the odd barney to be out of pocket $39,000. :'(
Mate, i hope you have a better outcome than i did.
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yeah we have started legal proceedings but it is going to one hell of a long road and expensive one. But why should we give up and let them get away with ripping people off. So sad that this can happen to people and also sad for the owners that they believe they had no other way but to run. They will never be able to have a business in camping again! And Jimboomba campers had such a good name and anyone who owns one cant say a bad thing about them, I truly do hope someone takes the business on, but the owners have made it hard now that they have cleared off with everything. They havent even given anyone the chance of looking after the business. Our horrible gut feeling is that they will be selling everything off cheap. But because we dont live in brisbane area we live up In FNQ we have no way of going to there house or business :(. Just have to keep hoping for the best.
Dont forget to promote the facebook page....Jimboomba Campers closing down. Anything will help I guess. We still keep trying to ring the owners in a last hope they will answer.
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This isn't a dick swinging competition.
Its not how ner-ner-nee-ner-ner paid or did not. Its about the situation at hand.
Its not what's in anyone's hand at any given moment when they want to toss off on the intranet to all and sundry with their ex-spurt-tease.
Keep your holier than thou attitude for the electrical section, or the how kick arise is my four wheel dribble diatribe.
There a people hurting here, financially, on a lot of levels. Think about it, and tuck your wee willys in.
Luke and co may have a long road ahead, the last thing they need is nuck-nucks telling them it their fault, its not their fault, emphatically so not their fault.
Everyone is entitled to there own opinion and perspective.
I can only see one holier than thou post in this thread and it,s quoted above..
We all feel for Luke and family ..but some of us will have to stay on the low road without a horse...
Back on track
Would by them not going bust but running off monies constitute a criminal offence , where as going into receivership being a legal process, this would mean their personal asserts can be sized by police in order to refund monies ,as they have committed a criminal offence and may face criminal prosecution,
Maybe a my swagger with the relevant exp can comment as I may be totally wrong , but what they have done is not going bust it,s taking off with others money , I think they are 2 different things with the 2nd one giving people like Luke greater options for legal action . Receivers would have meant a small % of your monies back ,maybe this way you can get more.
Jet :D
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Well said Jet
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If the business you are dealing with wants progress payments, find another one to deal with.
I buy a car, Im pay 10% deposit.
I buy a house, I pay a 10% deposit.
I buy a CT, I pay a 10 % deposit.
If the business asks for more, or progress payments, that is a sure sign they are under financial stress. Ive been in business, I know the signs.
Find someone else to do business with in those circumstances.
That's a bit of a sweeping generalisation don't you think?
Our first camper required a fixed dollar amount as the deposit, not a percentage. A month before delivery required a second fixed dollar amount (same as the first), and upon delivery the balance was due.
Our second camper that is currently on order required a 30% deposit with the balance due upon delivery.
Both are reputable CT manufacturers and yet they didn't follow the "10% rule". Based on your advice I should have gone elsewhere!
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I just want point out that all the information I have posted on here is all just hear say and has not be confirmedas as we live in FNQ and have not personally been to there house nor business. I have had another source tell me that the shed they work from is still full of campers. And that they haven't taken off with everything, at this point they are still not in contact with there customers nor gone into official receivership.
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Hi Everyone,
So i am the point of source.. I spoke to Luke and was heading out that way to look at some boats this morning. So i rang luke to stop past there facilities. If you drive past the street factory, its got a small chain across the driveway but thats it.
The factory has tinted/reflective windows. Photo's are useless. However...
If you look closely the shop is still full of gear. I saw electronic GME radios etc..
There is a car in the factory, plus i could make out some campers.
So they definitely haven't grabbed everything and run. The mailbox is full, so i am betting no one has been their for a week.
There is no notice on the door of receivership or changing hands, but the place is probably like you left the previous night as nothing is happening.
At the moment looking at the place, i don't believe there is anything untoward about the factory. However they could still have skipped, just left the place as is.. More likely it looks like they've had a serious emergency and have had to go and deal with it. I would probably have left a message on the answering machine or web site about the emergency so people don't get stressed.
I think the formal request in that luke placed with relevant authorities is the best approach currently. They will probably re-appear in the coming week or so, and apologize for the disappearance. But they certainly haven't grabbed and run. The showroom is full of camping gear.
Either way i think once everything settles down, i would bet the fact the showroom is full, and there are campers and cars Luke and others will see something. If you've paid for goods, then they are being stored on premises. If you can prove to the cops you own the goods (receipts etc) you will probably get them.. But i do think at the moment, there is a strong possibility that they have just had to go deal with something.
I'd give them the benefit of the doubt currently.. But certainly lodge details with Fair Trading and the Police..
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A glimmer of hope, fingers crossed and we will see what the new week brings :)
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Well done FireFox, hope it gives Luke some chance of getting his camper
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Good luck to all who may have lost some money if this goes downhill any further.
And lets try not to smash each other around. I understand where Lost was coming from, delivered in his style that for those who have been around the swag a while would understand is blunt and to the point but not personal. (He drives a Patrol - imagine the stress he's under 8) )
I think this should be a warning to us all with paying for stuff. Unless you are having a one off custom made jobbie done then progress payments are not necessary. A deposit is all any of us should.
The CT world is flooded with new and used trailers. I would proceed with caution.
Best wishes.
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I just want point out that all the information I have posted on here is all just hear say and has not be confirmedas as we live in FNQ and have not personally been to there house nor business. I have had another source tell me that the shed they work from is still full of campers. And that they haven't taken off with everything, at this point they are still not in contact with there customers nor gone into official receivership.
Luke.
From left field.
Have you thought of contacting the local police, and suggested a "Welfare Check" on the owners...
say some Shit like "they were to meet up with me, but never showed... and now nothing happens when I call them"
Maybe something *has* happened.. theres been plenty of suicides/robberies/murders of business people in last several years.
At least this will find out if they are around or not. Surely someone around there must know the owners address'...
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I have contacted police and so far nothing has come up as anything bad happening to them. The other thing that doesn't help our thoughts of them leaving is that there Facebook page as a business and the personal Facebook page got deleted on Thursday? Why would they do this if they were planning on coming back or if something had happened personally in the family? Too many different stories going around at the moment which is making it very hard for us to make any sense of it all.
Thanks all who are helping us it is just so overwhelming.
Luke and Melissa
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Until anyone has the Full Story ... I think it's a bit over the top for all this speculation. :police:
Luke - no offense intended - but how can you be "screwed over" if you don't even know if you are? ??? I understand your uncertainty, but I think we should all just wait until we know for sure before we draw and quarter them. I hope you gave the :police: your name and number to pass along just in case. As for FB, a lot of people cancel their accounts and give no reason. I've De-Friended a few people and haven't bothered to explain it ... I think they might know why though.
You never know, but they are probably at the CTA Camper of the Year thing down south and given the hired help a well deserved holiday? Yes, that's pure speculation on my part. ;D
Kit_e
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You never know, but they are probably at the CTA Camper of the Year thing down south and given the hired help a well deserved holiday? Yes, that's pure speculation on my part. ;D
Kit_e
I think they were abducted by young hot single female swedish backpackers. Lot of that going around...
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Luke you said that "I spoke to the paper and they confirmed they have gone bust" what paper is this?
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The jimboomba times.
It's one thing to cancel your account on Facebook, but it's another just to shut up shop and don't give an explanation to your customers or workers. And I'm not the only one that they HAVE screwed over there were people meant to be picking there camper up this week and obviously couldn't for obvious reasons. Pretty sure you would feel screwed over to if you have up all that money and then got nothing for it. Yes it is all speculation at this point but how else are we supposed to feel? Great if they are at some awards thing and they call us on Monday and apologise that would be the best outcome but highly doubtful at this point.
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I drove past their shop last Saturday and Sunday.
I can't remember which day I saw this but the roller door was open but the gates closed, there were two trailers out side and several inside. There was a large ute maybe f truck or gmc there with a large pantec trailer on the back loading items inside like they were taking things away.
Hope this may be of some help and doesn't confuse the matter further.
Good luck.
Sent from Behind you...BOO
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I think they were abducted by young hot single female swedish backpackers. Lot of that going around...
Tell me quick, which direction do I head to find that :D
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The jimboomba times.
the newspaper knows?
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The Jimboomba times just said that they have heard rumours that its going into receivership. But they can't confirm it. But ASIC have no information for them going into receivership.
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this property is owned by Susan and Terence Willis, so thats their home address i would say.
Luke, time to go and knock on the door and ask nicely, ma i ahve my CT please?
looks that way
Nice lookin house if you google maps it
http://tinyurl.com/cjmnens (http://tinyurl.com/cjmnens)
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this property is owned by Susan and Terence Willis, so thats their home address i would say.
Luke, time to go and knock on the door and ask nicely, ma i ahve my CT please?
First thing tomorrow i would suggest.
didn't Luke say earlier he lives in FNQ?
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If you snot him you get arrested... If you stand out the front of his house with a sign saying "these thieves stole $10,000 from my family!" No-one can touch you. Would look good on sensationalist 'current affairs', so-called TV.
If he hands over your ct or the 10 grand then you walk away happy.
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Squidgee Enterprises........nup not much info there:
Entity name From To
SQIDGEE ENTERPRISES PTY LTD 24 Aug 2009 (current)
JIMBOOMBA CAMPER TRAILERS PTY LTD 11 Jan 2008 24 Aug 2009
ABN Status From To
Active 11 Jan 2008 (current)
Entity type
Australian Private Company
Goods & Services Tax (GST) From To
Cancelled 30 Jun 2009 (current)
Registered 11 Jan 2008 29 Jun 2009
Main business location From To
QLD 4285 06 Dec 2010 (current)
QLD 4280 22 Jan 2008 06 Dec 2010
QLD 4280 11 Jan 2008 22 Jan 2008
ASIC registration - ACN or ARBN
129 188 174 View record on the ASIC website
Deductible gift recipient statushelp
Not entitled to receive tax deductible gifts
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didn't Luke say earlier he lives in FNQ?
Not sure, but that house is owned by the couple stated, but that doesn't mean they live there, so once again, ask nicely.
They own no other property in those names, but could own stuff under a trust or something like that.
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this is turning into another Wenzel thread :D:D:D:D:D:D
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/general-chit-chat-classics/399203-d60-rear-4-88s-35-spline.html (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/general-chit-chat-classics/399203-d60-rear-4-88s-35-spline.html)
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I'm sorry to hear this Luke and anyone else in the same situation.. Really hope something gets resolved soon for ya mate...
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this is turning into another Wenzel thread :D:D:D:D:D:D
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/general-chit-chat-classics/399203-d60-rear-4-88s-35-spline.html (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/general-chit-chat-classics/399203-d60-rear-4-88s-35-spline.html)
Wow,glad I don't visit that forum......
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Wow,glad I don't visit that forum......
well worth the read :)
dont forget they is USA
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I drove past their shop last Saturday and Sunday.
I can't remember which day I saw this but the roller door was open but the gates closed, there were two trailers out side and several inside. There was a large ute maybe f truck or gmc there with a large pantec trailer on the back loading items inside like they were taking things away.
Hope this may be of some help and doesn't confuse the matter further.
Good luck.
Sent from Behind you...BOO
Luke Mr Mac's eviendnce above could be very important should they go into recievership. Receivers take a very dim view to proprietors slipping away with assets or paying "favoured" accounts before calling them in. I would suggest you get as accurate details as you can of Mr Mac and then should you be able to contact the owners this may help your case ;-) otherwise it will help the receivers.
Good luck.
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We have tried calling since last Monday no answer at home or business, that is there property that they live and they have taken all the jimboomba campers to this place and locked it all up. They have also cleared out there business which has been confirmed today for us. They told a customer that did walk up to there house door that they have apointed a Jason to admin it all, but they not give any more information, and there bank commonwealth knows nothing of it. So looks more and more like they have shut doors and going to sell all there stuff before the banks do work it all out! Gutless to not even talk to the customers or give money or cts back!
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Someone mentioned earlier that they might be on CT of the year or some other activity.
Well, judging by the actions described above (or in some cases lack of action) they won't be getting invited to squat in the future. Regardless of whether there is some 'family crisis' or whatever, as a business that is holding $ from people there are some things they just should not do. In this day & age there is no excuse for not at least putting a message om their phone or diverting it.
And on the topic of progress payments, how long does it really take to build a CT? It's not like a house that can take up to 6 months and cost about $200k. For a $20000 trailer these guys should be able to wear the materials & labour until delivery.
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Guys,
please dont publish personal information and names/addresses and personal phone numbers in the threads.
If you wish to hand information around like that, do it through email or PM.
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And the ato has changed the tax laws so if they have not put in payg tax installments the ato can appoint administrators and hold directors personally respondsabile for wages, entilitlement and tax payments
So what you'll find is they have bleed the company dry to pay back the ato first so they aren't personally respondsabile, then they wind it up, go into admin and keep all there personal assets
It's getting harder and harder
Most companies should be trade with a minimum $1 assets to $1 liability, we just got done by a business that had $.0000007 asset to $1 liability ........ No money for me ???
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We have tried calling since last Monday no answer at home or business, that is there property that they live and they have taken all the jimboomba campers to this place and locked it all up.
then you need to take a road trip with 5 big mates, or hire some bikies and get 10k worth of trailer.
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Here ya go...
http://au.news.yahoo.com/today-tonight/contactus/suggest-a-story (http://au.news.yahoo.com/today-tonight/contactus/suggest-a-story)
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Mines better
http://www.bandidosmc.com.au/ (http://www.bandidosmc.com.au/)
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Mines better
http://www.bandidosmc.com.au/ (http://www.bandidosmc.com.au/)
mines betterer again
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=317365729 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=317365729)
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mines betterer again
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=317365729 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=317365729)
I "know" a bloke whos qualled in them............ I can make a call if you like >:D :angel:
Cheers
Evo
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then you need to take a road trip with 5 big mates, or hire some bikies and get 10k worth of trailer.
Mines better
http://www.bandidosmc.com.au/ (http://www.bandidosmc.com.au/)
mines betterer again
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=317365729 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=317365729)
Whilst I understand you are all sitting behind a keyboard it shows why they may possibly have done a runner! None of this helps Luke or any other people who are unsure of their money now.
My best suggestion would to speak to the authorities and get some legal advice and follow it, any threats, intimidation or harassment of the company owners may turn against you in the long run.
Luke, I can't imagine how you and your wife feel right now, and I hope I never end up in the same situation, but I hope you get some sort of favourable resolution to this and can get out camping with your family soon.
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Let us hope in time we can get another trailer.
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we also have a Jimboomba camper trailer on order and have been given the same excuses, week after week. I paid cash and they have all our money bar $1,000. They wanted it all. Sue asked me to pay all of it before we left for Tasmania. I had to chase them for receipts all the time and never got ones for the last two huge payments. This is devastating as we have waited years to do this, only to be taken for so much money. We want to know if we can get anything back at all. Be pleased to know anything. I feel gutted tonight, and my husband and I both had that feeling that something was wrong with all the excuses. They said it was ready but the canvas was not ready. We were supposed to get it on the 5th of October. Wonder what to do next? Any ideas would be great thanks.
look up their house address and go visit them... apparently the trailers are at their house
Im betting you could get a possy together really easy....
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If it was my money they had i wouldnt be on the forum ..... but rest assured id be locked and loaded and everyone would read about it when i found them ..... i would chase them to the ends of the earth.
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if you do a paid ASIC search, it should contain the home addresses of the directors of the company...
just sayin'...
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if you do a paid ASIC search, it should contain the home addresses of the directors of the company...
just sayin'...
it was posted here yesterday, it aint hard to get hold of without paying :)
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We also have a trailer on order and have paid nearly all the money to them. They asked for all of it and I said I should hold some back, but only$1,000 they now have $15,000 of our money. Not sure what to do or where to go to get some sort of answers and help? Just feel betrayed, by these people we trusted. I kept getting bad vibes and also excuses and every week I went in, they kept saying it would be ready next week. I now wonder if they made it at all? If anyone can help please let us know what we can do about it.
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Luke07 and ranger-Jules,
Is it worth contacting the Australian Manufactured CamperTrailer Association for some assistance?
They are an advocacy group primarily for camper trailer manufacturers in Australia (and Jimboomba are members) but I quote from their website...
It’s Roger Fagan’s belief and also that of his Guild colleages that while the Guild’s charter is essentially manufacturing based, it’s also very important to focus on the fact that the real benefit will be for you the consumer. He and his members know that people buy a camper trailer to fulfil the dream of a “trip of a lifetime” for them and their family, and they believe the Guild will play a role in helping camper trailer buyers to fulfil that dream and that it doesn’t turn into a nightmare.
I don't think AMCTA will want any further damage to the Australian industry's reputation and may be worth discussing the impact this situation might have if they have a rogue member. It's one thing to be struggling in business due to competition and/or overseas imports, but its another to trade insolvently and run for it with other peoples money. Worth a shot contacting them I think.
Here is the web link: http://www.australianmanufacturedcampertrailers.org.au/camper-trailer-articles/amctg-a-new-aussie-industry-association/ (http://www.australianmanufacturedcampertrailers.org.au/camper-trailer-articles/amctg-a-new-aussie-industry-association/)
Best of luck and stay strong. We are all hoping this works out for you and any others affected.
PS - get in touch with consumer protection (govt department) ASAP if you haven't already.
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Sorry, long post...
AMCTA also have a strict code of ethics that their members must abide by (which include Jimboomba)
Here it is...
The Member shall not engage in any practices that could be damaging to the public, the association, or bring discredit to the Camper Trailer industry.
The Member shall not discriminate in any business activities, and avoid speaking disparigingly of the work or product of other Members, unless circumstances demand affirmative action.
The Member shall observe both Federal and State laws relating to the workplace and product compliance standards.
The Member shall specify the services to be performed and conditions of sale including, product specification, warranties and guarantees.
The Member will strive to improve the industry by sharing experiences for the benefit of all, and shall assist the association in promoting the benefits of the AMCTG.
The Member will provide staff with an enjoyable and rewarding environment including career development and development of personal skills and in compliance with Australian Workplace laws.
I am thinking that AMCTA will not want the behavior of one company to reflect on them. Get them on your side first.
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Ranger-Jules we are wondering if i fact they made your camper at all as it seems they were prepared to take money from us and not produce the camper at all 3 weeks ago if that is the case its blatent theft by deception, with no intention to build.Its amazing how there customer service was well announced to any who has dealt with them in the past then they can fall to this level.It looks like they were not nice people at all and they were all a front to get your buisness.Good luck
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I posted details of an address of a related company that seems to be involved with Jimboomba Camper Trailers, yesterday.
It has since be removed by Admin, because apparently it was their "personal address".
ASIC doesn't not specify addresses if they are the business address or home address - they are only listed as the "registered address". Most companies have their registered addresses as being their accountant / trust company etc.... mine was!
I did not intentionally post "personal details" on here, and nor was it my intention for people to think that they and the mafia (or the likes) could rock up at this premises. It was merely to show that more company names may be associated, therefore increasing (or decreasing) their risks and debts, turning things into a tangled mess.
The related company was "It's all good offroad Pty Ltd" if you are interested.
Luke and Ranger-Jules, I hope things work out for you both. Please keep all of us posted.
the Nurse
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I posted publicly available personal details including there owners address and phone number as available off a reputable real estate search provider.
This post has been removed, but if you would like this information please contact me here and I will give it to you directly.
Best of Luck.
Nomad
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Dunno what they can do, but if AMCTA don't at least get involved, their credibility will = 0.000000
All very sad for those involved. You all have my sympathies......
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You ex real estate Nomad?
I did the same thing to check it..... gotta love pds.
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You ex real estate Nomad?
I did the same thing to check it..... gotta love pds.
WIsh I was Ex Jeepers............got quite a few years left yet.
Cheers Nomad :cheers:
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Dunno what they can do, but if AMCTA don't at least get involved, their credibility will = 0.000000
All very sad for those involved. You all have my sympathies......
Sadly I cannot see them doing anything. It's a group of camper manufacturers banding together to survive the Chinese import onslaught. They have no authority or power and will only take them off their list of manufacturers.
It's great to see the support from members trying to help.
Luke07, you mentioned your from FNQ, mate my camper needs some maintenance from the Cape trip other wise you could borrow mine for your Xmas break. I have plenty of other camping gear if you need to borrow some.
Mark
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We also have a trailer on order and have paid nearly all the money to them. They asked for all of it and I said I should hold some back, but only$1,000 they now have $15,000 of our money. Not sure what to do or where to go to get some sort of answers and help? Just feel betrayed, by these people we trusted. I kept getting bad vibes and also excuses and every week I went in, they kept saying it would be ready next week. I now wonder if they made it at all? If anyone can help please let us know what we can do about it.
Just replied to your post on EO I am very sympathetic to your situation
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Sadly I cannot see them doing anything. It's a group of camper manufacturers banding together to survive the Chinese import onslaught. They have no authority or power and will only take them off their list of manufacturers.
Mark I agree, but unfortunately, the more this happens, the knock-on effect will be fewer people will be inclined to hand over their hard-earned to local manufacturers.
Luke07, you mentioned your from FNQ, mate my camper needs some maintenance from the Cape trip other wise you could borrow mine for your Xmas break. I have plenty of other camping gear if you need to borrow some.
Nice offer..... :cup:
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Ranger-jules I will contact you privately with our number for you to call so I can tell you everything we know.
Mark - that is such a lovely offer and we are so grateful, fortunately we are able to borrow my folks stuff at Xmas but thanks so much, it shows there is good people out there.
Everyone else, we have had numerous people go to the house and its all locked up, nonone home and no trailers in sight. Trust me if there was I'd be there in an instant.
We have contacted the campers guild thing and, waiting for response.
Also spoken to ASIC and they have no application for recivership
Fair trading is dealing with it
And a court application will happen tomorrow to serve them to pay us back
And if all else fails, we will have to take into our own hands cause they will not get away with taking our money! Nice family who obviously turned into lying cheating in caring people!
Thanks everyone for your suggestions, they are helping us get closer and closer to outcome.
Just so disappointing as we love the jimboomba camper range.
Thanks so much to all that have sent us some private emails of help.
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Having just returned from GGPatrols Tambo weekend Id like to add a few comments which may add/clarify to my earlier post.
Firstly, in my first post (which I outlined my objections to giving any business anything other than a 10% deposit for any goods or service, which some have taken objection to either by post or by PM), I failed to make comment on my sympathy with those involved. This goes without saying, but to Luke 07 and Ranger Jules, you dont deserve to be going thru what you are now. I hope everything works out for you.
Secondly, I added the comment that having been in business, I knew what I was talking about. Some have taken this as some form of pi55ing contest, and other business owners have taken objection to this as their businesses rely on progress payments. I gave the example of buying a house, rather that building one, where progress payments are par for the course. My personal replies to these messages has been that if you build a house, you enter into a contract overseen and insured by an industry body, such as the HIA, where the purchaser is protected against non completion of a project.
Thirdly, the AMCTA Guild code of ethics has been posted up by others. Perhaps if this group was a professional industry body like the HIA where a prospective purchaser was indemnified and insured against project non completion if process payments were made and the end product not delivered the industry would benifit.
Forthly, there is probably another family under great stress here, the owners of Jimboona, who have probably put their heart and soul into their business, only to see it fail. When Trackabout had problems this forum actively engaged in support of the owner, whereas in this instance, the opposite appears to be occurring. Trackabout operated with integrity, we still dont know the facts surrounding Jimboona, but still, here is probably a family out there with it all on the line.
Fifthly, my comment of "knowing what Im talking about" because Ive been in a business seems to have been taken as some kind of Pi55 take. Having been in exactly the situation that the owners of Jimboona appear to be in: Ie, having lost a business, having lost a family home to cover business liabilities and having had a three figure tax liability to cover, now nearly cleared after 7 years, I think I can talk from experience. When you have a business, you do everything to keep it afloat. Progress payments from clients for projects that you sell, extending trading terms, ets, are all methodilogies used to stave of the inevitable by SOME businesses, not all. The problem is that we, the customer, dont know which ones. We, as business owners, didnt use these, we faced the music.
So: from my perspective, having had a business fail after 10 years, the old sayings still hold true:
BUYER BEWARE
DONT THROW GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD
IF YOU SMELL A RAT....
Happy sunday night everyone.
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Luke07, you mentioned your from FNQ, mate my camper needs some maintenance from the Cape trip other wise you could borrow mine for your Xmas break. I have plenty of other camping gear if you need to borrow some.
Mark
Mark haven't met you but read a lot about you on here. Hope to meet up one day , you are a true gentleman
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Having just returned from GGPatrols Tambo weekend Id like to add a few comments which may add/clarify to my earlier post.
Firstly, in my first post (which I outlined my objections to giving any business anything other than a 10% deposit for any goods or service, which some have taken objection to either by post or by PM), I failed to make comment on my sympathy with those involved. This goes without saying, but to Luke 07 and Ranger Jules, you dont deserve to be going thru what you are now. I hope everything works out for you.
Secondly, I added the comment that having been in business, I knew what I was talking about. Some have taken this as some form of pi55ing contest, and other business owners have taken objection to this as their businesses rely on progress payments. I gave the example of buying a house, rather that building one, where progress payments are par for the course. My personal replies to these messages has been that if you build a house, you enter into a contract overseen and insured by an industry body, such as the HIA, where the purchaser is protected against non completion of a project.
Thirdly, the AMCTA Guild code of ethics has been posted up by others. Perhaps if this group was a professional industry body like the HIA where a prospective purchaser was indemnified and insured against project non completion if process payments were made and the end product not delivered the industry would benifit.
Forthly, there is probably another family under great stress here, the owners of Jimboona, who have probably put their heart and soul into their business, only to see it fail. When Trackabout had problems this forum actively engaged in support of the owner, whereas in this instance, the opposite appears to be occurring. Trackabout operated with integrity, we still dont know the facts surrounding Jimboona, but still, here is probably a family out there with it all on the line.
Fifthly, my comment of "knowing what Im talking about" because Ive been in a business seems to have been taken as some kind of Pi55 take. Having been in exactly the situation that the owners of Jimboona appear to be in: Ie, having lost a business, having lost a family home to cover business liabilities and having had a three figure tax liability to cover, now nearly cleared after 7 years, I think I can talk from experience. When you have a business, you do everything to keep it afloat. Progress payments from clients for projects that you sell, extending trading terms, ets, are all methodilogies used to stave of the inevitable by SOME businesses, not all. The problem is that we, the customer, dont know which ones. We, as business owners, didnt use these, we faced the music.
So: from my perspective, having had a business fail after 10 years, the old sayings still hold true:
BUYER BEWARE
DONT THROW GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD
IF YOU SMELL A RAT....
Happy sunday night everyone.
I don't doubt that at all that I'm sure the owners of jimboomba are devastated. At the start or lasts week when we started to get suss, we actually felt sorry for them thinking they had lost there battle with keeping the company afloat in this economy but here are some reasons of why my care factor of there feelings have gone out the window.....
For the past month they have either failed to respond to calls and emails or just told blatant lies to me and other customers.
Failed to have item ready for date we were told....yet still insisted on money from customers.
Instead of telling customers they have gone bust, they pack all there stuff up over a weekend and night and just disappear. No matter what situation you have got yourself in, if you are good person you should at least tell your customers and supply them with information on what would happen next. Instead they took all our money and basically stole from many good hard working people and all they can say is yell from there fence as they pack up....someone will be in touch!!
So excuse me for not having a care about the situation they are in.
If you by a business you need to be prepared for the worst. We support local business to help people out and look at what happens in return.
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Your views are entirely understandable.
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I agree, it the business goes bust, you should inform people what is happening rather than disappear, this is cowardly. If I was in this situation I could not leave people not knowing. at least inform them. How can they live with themselves knowing they have our money and our trust. They took our money knowing they were in trouble, but did it anyway. I feel cheated more by the fact our trust was betrayed. I have been betrayed before and you never really get over it. Lies and deceit. I just wonder if they actually feel bad over this or has this happened before to them? Just be very aware if they ever start another business.
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They were at the caravan and camping show in Brisbane a few weeks back and were happy to take orders.... sux. Hope you guys get your money back quickly.
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They were at the caravan and camping show in Brisbane a few weeks back and were happy to take orders.... sux.
This is going to get extremely nasty I feel.
Maybe someone needs to speak with Jimboomba newspaper and get the journo's on to it... even if its to warn people.
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Well I pointed out some can find it all too hard to face their suppliers, employees and customers after getting into the financial mire, but then they just leave it all behind in the too hard basket and walk away. That's clearly not the case here with grabbing whatever they can under the circumstances.
If you ask do these people feel bad about what they're doing to others then the answer is this sort of behaviour is pathological for some. They get up in the morning and look in the mirror and see a reasonably nice person reflected there, while none of us would. It's nothing personal in ripping you off, just pathological behavior on their part. Hopefully the Judge is not too impressed by it as a defence of their actions.
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[quote author=Mace link=topic=26237.msg406583#msg406583
Secondly, I added the comment that having been in business, I knew what I was talking about. Some have taken this as some form of pi55ing contest, and other business owners have taken objection to this as their businesses rely on progress payments. I gave the example of buying a house, rather that building one, where progress payments are par for the course. My personal replies to these messages has been that if you build a house, you enter into a contract overseen and insured by an industry body, such as the HIA, where the purchaser is protected against non completion of a project
[/quote] hi Mace just a bit more info on your quote above,I know getting a bit of track but may help other swaggers if thinking of building.
In south Australia It is mandatory for a builder to enter into a contract for any building work over $12,000 not just building new homes. And is strongly advised to enter into a minor works contract for work under $12,000. By entering into a contract with a builder a maximum deposit of $1000 for jobs under $12000 and a maximum deposit of 5% + costs over $12000 and of course progress payments for stages of the job. And remember only a licenced builder can get indemnity insurance to protect your investment.
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The current owners of Jimboomba trailers have only owned the business for about 4 years as when I bought my Jimboomba Trailer it was one of the last trailers the original owners made.
It’s a shame as the original owners were the ones who built the business up from scratch spent years perfecting his art working with aluminium.
Back then the original owners never advertised in magazines, went to any camping shows and even there web page was pretty basic. But his reputation was strong and that keep him busy.
Maybe the new owners couldn’t live up to the reputation or tried to get too big too fast. Either way it’s just plain wrong to walk out leaving customers and suppliers in the dark.
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Mine was built by Rob Moore as well. I wonder if anyone knows where he is these days, perhaps he is aware of the current status with the company...
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You would have to keep a lot of turn over going to.
1. pay 4WD action $ 10000.00 for that DVD Coffs area.
2. Pay for the big adds in the mags.
3. Pay for the shows.
4. To buy the good will of Jimboomba.
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Forthly
You didn't spell fourthly right! >:( ;D :-*
Kit_e ;D
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The current owners of Jimboomba trailers have only owned the business for about 4 years as when I bought my Jimboomba Trailer it was one of the last trailers the original owners made.
It’s a shame as the original owners were the ones who built the business up from scratch spent years perfecting his art working with aluminium.
Back then the original owners never advertised in magazines, went to any camping shows and even there web page was pretty basic. But his reputation was strong and that keep him busy.
Maybe the new owners couldn’t live up to the reputation or tried to get too big too fast. Either way it’s just plain wrong to walk out leaving customers and suppliers in the dark.
With the constant risk of sounding holier than thou, again. Let me say the above post could sum up the situation in the shell of a nut.
I've seen good businesses change hands and go belly up under new ownership more often than I'd like to remember. Its a bloody shame to see a good name tarnished and possibly disappear. Its even worse to read the posts pertaining to the potential loss of moneys handed over to these people.
Gotta go now my halo has just come back from the cleaners and theres a vacant pedestal up for grabs. I don't even have to pay a deposit on this one, its a straight swap for my vintage soapbox.
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Just ripped my Jimboomba advertising stickers of the back and sides of the CT.Then i thought, was it a bit early to do it.What if it gets taken up by someone else ,maybe they will need all the help they cant get.Still have the mudflaps will see how things go before i remove.Now waiting for the MySwag Stickers.
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Would anyone touch them now anyway?
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I've seen good businesses change hands and go belly up under new ownership more often than I'd like to remember. Its a bloody shame to see a good name tarnished and possibly disappear. .
Many SME buyers dont factor in the borrowing costs to finance the business when they buy. Original owners often dont have this.
I looked at buying a rural mower/chainsaw shop. Was a successful business but the owners built it from scratch with no finance or rent as they owned the building. Once the borrowing and rent costs were added to the equation they would have to have paid me $12,000 per annum for it to be viable. We offered to take it off their hands for free. They declined.
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Would anyone touch them now anyway?
Mate they are a very very good C/T probably in the first three for a soft floor.
Our's will be for sale after the Kimberely trip next year as we will be buying a caravan. There was two for sale on the net a few weeks ago and I would say bushbandit brought one of them, you do not see them for sale very often especially the up market ones.
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By all accounts they made a good camper. That they have gone out of business, seemingly, does not alter that fact.
No need to feel bad about owning one.
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By all accounts they made a good camper. That they have gone out of business, seemingly, does not alter that fact.
No need to feel bad about owning one.
Only removed because they are advertising stickers with phone numbers no other reason.
I love the CT have wanted one forbut were non seconhand until a few weeks ago.Im so glad we got our hands on it.Its a shame as everyone wants to now who builds it.
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I just went to the Jimboomba Campers website, and you can still select items to buy and place in the checkout!! I didn't proceed with registering but presume the next step lets you input a CC. You would think the fair trading and the law would take a dim view if they have shot through yet the website is still collecting funds?
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We offered to take it off their hands for free. They declined.
LOL That was generous of you ;)
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LOL That was generous of you ;)
I try and do my bit Danny, really I do...... :cheers:
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I just went to the Jimboomba Campers website, and you can still select items to buy and place in the checkout!! I didn't proceed with registering but presume the next step lets you input a CC. You would think the fair trading and the law would take a dim view if they have shot through yet the website is still collecting funds?
Hey if they were at the Camping show in Brissy recently taking deposits and selling Shit, I'd hate to be them when the wrong people catch up with them... The law wont do Shit to them.
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Maybe I missed an important slice of info in a post, but has any of this been confirmed yet, or is it all "he-said-she-said" and circumstantial whispers?
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Doesn't look too good judging by the facebook page Luke started. >:(
https://www.facebook.com/jimboomba.campers (https://www.facebook.com/jimboomba.campers)
Their website is still up and running????? :police:
God I feel sooo sad for the guys who have put a deposit down and have no trailer. The money is hard enough to earn and save let alone someone stealing from you.
Hope you get a positive outcome Luke.
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So, nothing more than vicious (and *big, big BIG* hint for MS mods - legally problematic) rumours at this stage?
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It has been confirmed by there finance advisor that they have gone into recievership and should be announced by tomorrow. Nothing has been said viciously about them at all just that we all want our money. They have emptied out anything that was on wheels (Terry's words) which is illegal to do when they r in recievership.
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It has been confirmed by there finance advisor that they have gone into recievership and should be announced by tomorrow. Nothing has been said viciously about them at all just that we all want our money. They have emptied out anything that was on wheels (Terry's words) which is illegal to do when they r in recievership.
So you've spoken to Terry or their representative?
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So, nothing more than vicious (and *big, big BIG* hint for MS mods - legally problematic) rumours at this stage?
We've been following the thread, and whilst we had some concerns about the unconfirmed nature of some of the comments, overriding that was that is in the (public) interest for folks to know that there might be an issue here.
Tragic for all concerned.
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We've been following the thread, and whilst we had some concerns about the unconfirmed nature of some of the comments, overriding that was that is in the (public) interest for folks to know that there might be an issue here.
Tragic for all concerned.
Agree, being watched closely. If found to be false, it will be removed accordingly. Shame to hear another what appears to be quality camper go down the tube and the people it affects......Watching with baited breath........:-(
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It has been confirmed by there finance advisor that they have gone into recievership and should be announced by tomorrow. Nothing has been said viciously about them at all just that we all want our money. They have emptied out anything that was on wheels (Terry's words) which is illegal to do when they r in recievership.
Luke, is he aware that the website is live and still taking cash/orders?
And if they werent legally in recievership yet when they emptied it I cant see that being illegal.
Again I wish you luck
We've been following the thread, and whilst we had some concerns about the unconfirmed nature of some of the comments, overriding that was that is in the (public) interest for folks to know that there might be an issue here.
While I agree that this needs to get out there I think you could trim it down to 3-5 posts and leave contact info for Luke and the other bloke who is battling and lock it.
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It has been confirmed by there finance advisor that they have gone into recievership and should be announced by tomorrow. Nothing has been said viciously about them at all just that we all want our money. They have emptied out anything that was on wheels (Terry's words) which is illegal to do when they r in recievership.
Well that is a shame and I feel for you Luke.
but holy cow, in my experience as a journalist of two decades this thread is controversial. Even the use of the word 'illegal', in this context, could be taken badly
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Hope it works out for you Luke
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Luke07 and ranger-Jules,
Is it worth contacting the Australian Manufactured CamperTrailer Association for some assistance?
They are an advocacy group primarily for camper trailer manufacturers in Australia (and Jimboomba are members) but I quote from their website...
It’s Roger Fagan’s belief and also that of his Guild colleages that while the Guild’s charter is essentially manufacturing based, it’s also very important to focus on the fact that the real benefit will be for you the consumer. He and his members know that people buy a camper trailer to fulfil the dream of a “trip of a lifetime” for them and their family, and they believe the Guild will play a role in helping camper trailer buyers to fulfil that dream and that it doesn’t turn into a nightmare.
I don't think AMCTA will want any further damage to the Australian industry's reputation and may be worth discussing the impact this situation might have if they have a rogue member. It's one thing to be struggling in business due to competition and/or overseas imports, but its another to trade insolvently and run for it with other peoples money. Worth a shot contacting them I think.
Here is the web link: http://www.australianmanufacturedcampertrailers.org.au/camper-trailer-articles/amctg-a-new-aussie-industry-association/ (http://www.australianmanufacturedcampertrailers.org.au/camper-trailer-articles/amctg-a-new-aussie-industry-association/)
Luke,
Did you try this?
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i have said nothing but only opinions by people and have always stated nothing had been confirmed unless it was. Terry gave a unfinished camper to a customer yesterday and said they cleared everything out that was on wheels. Im not sure if they know about the website. We now have recivership companies details so we will be discussing further with them and fair trading. Thanks everyone for your help, now we just have to leave it with the courts and hope we get the best outcome.
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Yeah I agree I'd be tempted to very quickly remove all posts if it is going legal to ensure nothing would come back and bite me
That's the problem with the Internet; nothing can ever be truly erased. All it takes is a simple search and a cached copy is bound to exist ...
https://encrypted.google.com/#q=site:www.myswag.org+jimboomba+campers (https://encrypted.google.com/#q=site:www.myswag.org+jimboomba+campers)
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we tried them and they couldnt do anything :(
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I took the stickers and mudflaps off mine the day I got it home, I just like the clean unadorned look. But I agree, Bushbandit, every time I am out and about with it, I have people coming up and asking questions about it.
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Other manufactures have gone belly up and the new owners have bounced back with an even better product. Hope somebody can resurrect Jimboomba.
KB
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Other manufactures have gone belly up and the new owners have bounced back with an even better product. Hope somebody can resurrect Jimboomba.
KB
I hope so KB we held Terry and Sue in high regard as did alot of other people who actually have dealt with them in the past but as life dictates problems this time in business they obviously couldn't handle the situation and have choose the path they have.In the past in our family my grandfather was a bookie in a small country town back in the late 40s he went belly up and because of the morals of the day decided to sell alot of beautiful river land to pay of the debts it is a it different now as we all know.My wife and I drive past that land when we go west and think only if it had stayed in the family but deep down know that they had morals and did the RIGHT THING.Which we are happy about.
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This thread has gone quite. I see on exploroz you said you got possession of your trailer through a third party. Any other news.
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This thread has gone quite. I see on exploroz you said you got possession of your trailer through a third party. Any other news.
yes, which doesnt make sense
..... I intended to visit on Monday and demand the trailer as it was. Seems like I missed the boat, but some smart lady acted and took it for us and kept it safe till we returned. I think others have collected their trailers if they were towable, but terribly unfinished. What the did probably was illegal, taking assets from the company, but can they be assets if they belong to others who have already paid?? Just do not know the answers to this yet.
I am fairly sure your holding stolen property there... you have gained it unlawfully as I see it.
So many unanswered questions, like how did this "angel" know they were doing a runner and knew to aquire without Jimboombas concent the trailers?
Am I missing something here?
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I too have been asked about my camper at many campsites around the country Squalo, so much so that I used to carry a supply of brochures in the Pathy with us and actually got a couple of sales as well :laugh:. It is a shame to see such a great brand go down and disappear, I hope that someone can rescue it. I bought my first Jimboomba camper an Offroad Explorer in 2007 off the original owner of the business, then in 2009 we bought our second one a Offroad Explorer Staircase which we have today, they are and awesome bit of kit :cup: and up until now the backup service has been second to none. I am proud to own a Jimboomba camper and won't be removing stickers any time soon. :cheers: Paul.
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Just posting on this forum, to make things very clear..
Jimboomba Campers or the trading parent, is now officially reported as under administration which is sad to see. It's is formally listed on ASIC, and if you are a creditor (i.e someone that the company owes you money or assets) i would suggest you get in contact with the administrators to discuss what assets you are entitled to.
The good news is that it is nice and formal and they have appointed administrators.
I feel sorry for the people this has affected, i hope the administrators have the ability to sort everyone out.
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We ordered our trailer from them at the camping show in Brisbane and left a 1200 deposite they told us that it would be ready in 3 - 4 weeks we were very excited then 2 weeks in they called us on the Wednesday saying it would be ready on the Friday to come collect and could we please pay the rest as soon as possible so it was cleared by Friday. We thought that this was a bit strange rang them back up to ask them why we were paying for a trailer we had not received or even seen yet they told us that needed the rest to pay for the top (we got the oztrail top) went against evey bone in my body but seeing as they had been around for many many years we put the money in there account........ Got a call on Friday morning from Terry saying the trailer was all ready to go and could we come down that afternoon and pick it up, I asked him if there was any chance we could get it on Saturday as I worked that night. He told me we could however be a big help of we could get it that afternoon so I agreed went down and there it was all shinny and new ready to go went in paid the rego and towed it away........ Next day paying with the new toy noticed there was no 'leg winder' gave them a call straight to message bank tried over the next few days all the same story went for a drive down and closed gates full mail box and nothing every thing seemed gone....... Thank god we went down on Friday and were so lucky all we lost was a leg winder and rego could of been so much worse least we got our trailer.
Also when we were down there checking it out another man rocked up and said his friend had left a $9000 deposite that I guess is all gone now :(
Deepest condolences to the people who have lost out and best of luck just goes to show nothing is certain these days
Sent from my HTC Sensation XL with Tapatalk 2
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We are the people who had paid the $9000 and a friend of ours was checking the place out. Very lucky that you's got your trailers.
The thread has gone quiet but here is a few details......
They have been in trouble for a long time and terry is working driving cranes and has been for months as the knew they were in trouble....who knows where that money is.
They did give out trailers to some lady to give to customers after they had shut down and yes after get legal advice this is illegal....it's called trading insolvent.
The administrators are looking into this but basically anyone that got trailers in the last two weeks are holding illegal stock. But totally agree that it's a hard one because they like the rest of us have paid money and should get something.
After talking with administrators...even though it is now in the hands of proper administrators its probably too late! There's no money and once they pay banks and there major tax debt the chance of creditors getting anything is next to none.
I think we were hoping someone would be able to take the business on as the trailers are a good quality trailer and its such a shame this can happen.... But doesn't sound like its savable.
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And when I say got trailers in the last two weeks I mean since last Tuesday when there doors were shut for good.
Such a shame for many people. Such a good company it was. The people were lovely and obviously the pressure of the failing business turned them into people that shouldn't have been trusted! And us they will lose everything but it doesn't make it right for the rest of us who trusted them with our money and have been patiently waiting for months to get our new toy that just wasn't even getting built!
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Sounds like they wanted the money by the Friday cause they were taking off that weekend!
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Whats the point in having advertising stickers with phone numbers when they are not in buisness thats why i removed them no other reason couldnt care less about leaving the Jimboomba CT part on there just not phone numbers.I am happy to tell anybody the make of the CT if they ask
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What if you want to sell it? What if they now become a collectors item? :angel:
WRT stickers, I am not a fan and have only a myswag sticker on my Cruiser (or at least I will, on the new rear window).
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Regretfully there are alot of businesses out there that are sailing very close to the wind. The hardest thing is at what point does a company walk away. Some try to trade through the rough times but at the cost of unsuspecting customers.
I remember watching a show about businesses closing down. There is a fine line between trading legally and trading insolvent. It depends on creditors when they want to be paid etc.
It is always sad to see companies go bust as they take with them unsuspecting customers.
Mark
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yes, which doesnt make sense
I am fairly sure your holding stolen property there... you have gained it unlawfully as I see it.
Maybe. Provided they have paid money for 'x' and have now collected 'x' then they have not stolen 'x'. Provided they are prepared to return 'x' if asked by the lawful owner, and were never intending to permanently deprive, then its not stolen.
:cheers:
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Provided they are prepared to return 'x' if asked by the lawful owner, and were never intending to permanently deprive, then its not stolen.
Im just not sure who the lawful owner of the trailer is.
Anyway hope dude gets to keep it. I dont know anyone that can afford to lose that sort of cash.
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And when I say got trailers in the last two weeks I mean since last Tuesday when there doors were shut for good.
Such a shame for many people. Such a good company it was. The people were lovely and obviously the pressure of the failing business turned them into people that shouldn't have been trusted! And us they will lose everything but it doesn't make it right for the rest of us who trusted them with our money and have been patiently waiting for months to get our new toy that just wasn't even getting built!
I'm confused now.
So a random lady somehow knew you had ordered a trailer and has given you one in the last couple of days although yours wasn't even built? Is that right?
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WRT stickers, I am not a fan and have only a myswag sticker on my Cruiser (or at least I will, on the new rear window).
That sounds a pain, what happened Jules??
GG
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There has been alot go on behind the scenes here and alot of customers have picked up trailers prior to completion.
A receiver that I have discussed this scenario with has stated that if the customer has paid and collected then the receiver / liquidator really has no grounds for the re collection of the trailer, just keep copies of your payments, but the customer also has no grounds for claiming warranty or unfinished work on the trailer.
Not a great outcome for most customers but better than not getting anything for the money outlaid.
I feel sorry for those customers.
I also apologise to Brett for placing not easily available, but none the less public information on this forum, and I will not do it again.
This is a sh!t situation, but better the sh!it stay as much as possible on the owners of the company rather than innocent customers.
Good luck to all who took possession of their property and I hope to see, in the near future when all this blows over some threads asking the trailer gurus on this site on the best way to complete the items they have collected, becuase most have serious work required to complete them.
If anyone wants to take me to task my details are:
Paul Butler
0418780333
paul.butler@raywhite.com
Regards
Nomad.
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No we were not one of the customers to get our trailer...unfortunately we got nothing!
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Put in a claim for the trailer Luke, you may as well have it recorded.
Formally the receivers aren't obliged to give it to you, but they are people as well, with a sh!t job. They may be able to, in an off market situation, be able to give you a more favourable situation, not ideal I know but better than nothing.
Remember the squeaky wheel...................
I hope you get something out of this I am happy to have discussions for you if you can provide me some contact details for the receiver.
Kind regards
Paul Butler.
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No we were not one of the customers to get our trailer...unfortunately we got nothing!
You need to take a few days off and go find this mystery chick who has all the trailers. It might be your best hope.
This one
My husband spoke to some people today in the local business area, and they said a lot of people in Jimboomba right now are hurting, I know it is not just Jimboomba but far and wide. Some paid up just last week and will never see anything now.
There is a lot of people in this community that supported them, but I am not sure now what they all think and how they will react. I mean it was dishonest to trade under those circumstances and they told a lot of lies to everyone.
We all believed them until it became the same thing week after week.
I intended to visit on Monday and demand the trailer as it was.
Seems like I missed the boat, but some smart lady acted and took it for us and kept it safe till we returned.
I think others have collected their trailers if they were towable, but terribly unfinished.
What the did probably was illegal, taking assets from the company, but can they be assets if they belong to others who have already paid??
Just do not know the answers to this yet
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http://www.exploroz.com/Forum/Topic/99067/Jimboomba_camper_trailer_gone_bust.aspx?ky=jimboomba&sn=&p=%2fForum%2fDefault.aspx%3fs%3d1%26ky%3djimboomba%26pn%3d1 (http://www.exploroz.com/Forum/Topic/99067/Jimboomba_camper_trailer_gone_bust.aspx?ky=jimboomba&sn=&p=%2fForum%2fDefault.aspx%3fs%3d1%26ky%3djimboomba%26pn%3d1)
You may want to attend this meeting... https://insolvencynotices.asic.gov.au/browsesearch-notices/notice-details/Its-All-Good-Offroad-Pty-Ltd-128300345/77bba20b-4c1b-479b-8a3b-922a0af1abc2 (https://insolvencynotices.asic.gov.au/browsesearch-notices/notice-details/Its-All-Good-Offroad-Pty-Ltd-128300345/77bba20b-4c1b-479b-8a3b-922a0af1abc2)
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That's great link, and provides all the info.
Just remember you MUST be registered with Worrell's prior to attending. I.e you must give them evidence that you are a creditor, prior.. So make sure you give them your receipts etc and the fact what you paid, and what you were supposed to be receiving. Must be done prior to the 30th, so you've only got a week.
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Yep. Take a few days to go in person.
If I was out 9 grand, I woullnt just be bleating about it on a forum, I would be beating it out of them directly.
No doubt a stressful and anxious time.
Keep us all updated and chin up.
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That's great link, and provides all the info.
Just remember you MUST be registered with Worrell's prior to attending. I.e you must give them evidence that you are a creditor, prior.. So make sure you give them your receipts etc and the fact what you paid, and what you were supposed to be receiving. Must be done prior to the 30th, so you've only got a week.
That's all good but you have to realise the receiver has NO obligation to pay ANY of the debts incurred by the company prior to receivership. Sh!tty but simple fact of the situation. The bank is going to be the only one who see any cash out of this situation, unless the owners have a Shit load of equity in something they haven't mortgaged to the hilt already. So unlikely.
You are going to have to present a bleeding heart situation or nail the trailer at auction to get a result.
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Yep. Take a few days to go in person.
If I was out 9 grand, I wouldnt just be bleating about it on a forum, I would be beating it out of them directly.
Agree.
There'd easily be $9000 of furniture in that house that was posted up, its a stunning place.
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I too have been asked about my camper at many campsites around the country Squalo, so much so that I used to carry a supply of brochures in the Pathy with us and actually got a couple of sales as well :laugh:. It is a shame to see such a great brand go down and disappear, I hope that someone can rescue it. I bought my first Jimboomba camper an Offroad Explorer in 2007 off the original owner of the business, then in 2009 we bought our second one a Offroad Explorer Staircase which we have today, they are and awesome bit of kit :cup: and up until now the backup service has been second to none. I am proud to own a Jimboomba camper and won't be removing stickers any time soon. :cheers: Paul.
Well said Paul.
They have always been a great setup.
Rod......
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Thanks everyone for your word of advice and feedback. We have been as loud as we can from up here and we will defeinetly be at the meeting next Friday! I don't know what there house or furniture looks like so I can't comment on what sort of money might be there but from what I have heard there isn't much money left in the business. :(. Have to wait and see I guess.
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There has been alot go on behind the scenes here and alot of customers have picked up trailers prior to completion.
A receiver that I have discussed this scenario with has stated that if the customer has paid and collected then the receiver / liquidator really has no grounds for the re collection of the trailer, just keep copies of your payments, but the customer also has no grounds for claiming warranty or unfinished work on the trailer.
Not a great outcome for most customers but better than not getting anything for the money outlaid.
I feel sorry for those customers.
I also apologise to Brett for placing not easily available, but none the less public information on this forum, and I will not do it again.
This is a sh!t situation, but better the sh!it stay as much as possible on the owners of the company rather than innocent customers.
Good luck to all who took possession of their property and I hope to see, in the near future when all this blows over some threads asking the trailer gurus on this site on the best way to complete the items they have collected, becuase most have serious work required to complete them.
If anyone wants to take me to task my details are:
Paul Butler
0418780333
paul.butler@raywhite.com
Regards
Nomad.
Paul, as far as I'm concerned there is nothing for you to apologise for, and I can't see how any fair minded person could say otherwise.
If information is publicly available I can't see how anyone could object to it being posted on here.
Hopefully you have posted it on the facebook page started by Luke.
Bottom line is these mongrels should be tracked down and held to account. Not good enough that they get to hide behind the fiction of a 'company'.
If he is working as a crane driver he will have been making damn good money, so difficult to believe he couldn't balance the books with that sort of a second income. Must've been a hopeless business man.
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Bottom line is these mongrels should be tracked down and held to account. Not good enough that they get to hide behind the fiction of a 'company'.
If he is working as a crane driver he will have been making damn good money, so difficult to believe he couldn't balance the books with that sort of a second income. Must've been a hopeless business man.
First up no directors get to hide behind a company wall and if the company trades insolvently or breaks one of the increasingly onerous Laws and Regulations foisted upon business nowadays the directors are personally liable. I'd certainly like to see Labor/Green politicians held to account for the way they run State and Federal Govt in that regard, but they get a free pass apparently.
A company structure, private or public is simply there to allow investors of capital to make a return without the day to day involvment with managing the business but naturally they need to be aware of the expertise, experience and track record they're lending their capital to. There is no return without risk and you pays yer capital and takes yer chances. Caveat emptor as they say.
That's the same with doing business as a consumer and any thought that the nanny state could pick up the tab for every drop of spilt milk would be an impossible cost burden on taxpayers and in any case create a greater moral hazard problem. Good business is already being driven to the wall with impossible administrative overburden, Govt imposed oncosts and red tape now and if you think one director earning a crane driver's income can overcome the demands of that and a lot of Fair Work hungry mouths to feed you're dreaming. Fair Work incomes in Oz just love to spend their incomes in an unfettered global marketplace and that trend can quickly overwhelm any SME nowadays, as the closures and layoffs attest.
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And while I'm on the soap box FWIW here's my golden rules for laying out yer hard-earned-
1. The higher the return the greater the risk
2. Don't put all yer eggs in one basket
3. If anyone tells you they've got a sure thing they're lying to you or else they'd be sunning themselves in the Maldives with their feet in a bucket of champers, not telling you and lowering their odds dummy.
4. Gummint regulators are really just professional mourners overstuffed with your taxes, to come mourn with you, the fool and your money soon parted, for ignoring points 1-3.
Anyway that's what I tell my kids to explain what caveat emptor and commercial life is all about.
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Unfortunately the responsible regulators and Govt departments will do absolutely nothing to prosecute the directors for trading insolvent unless there is some media mileage in it to make them look good (remember HIH and Onetel?). I worked for a small airline based in Toowoomba Qld that went bust after the directors traded insolvent for 18mths. They had not paid leases on the aircraft or superannuation for staff in that time. The ATO were negligent: they were advised and failed to act as per their legislation, so I personally lost $8.5k (thank goodness for the GEERS scheme or it would have been $20k). I am sure they were first in line for their cut though! I wrote to ASIC requesting they act against the directors and, after refusing to be fobbed off, ended up getting a letter from their lawyers telling me that I did not understand the situation and we suggest that you go away! The administrator (and rest assured they are only there to clock up as many billable hours that can be had from picking over the carcass of the company, then moving onto the next cash cow) even found assets hidden by the directors. According to ASIC this did not constitute any prosecutable offense! Forget about any help from the authorities, they are only there to ensure that the money only goes to the vultures cleaning up the remains. Sorry to be so negative, but that is how it all pans out in my experience.
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Sorry to be so negative, but that is how it all pans out in my experience.
I dont think anyone in the real world expects anything different.
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Unfortunately the responsible regulators and Govt departments will do absolutely nothing to prosecute the directors for trading insolvent unless there is some media mileage in it to make them look good
Commonwealth agencies investigate matters based upon the Case Categorisation Prioritisation Model which takes into account factors such as the;
The type of crime and the impact on the Australian Society
The importance of the matter to the client and the agency
The resources required to undertake the investigation
The vast majority are not investigated or actioned in any way. The argument being if you assign an investigator to a $2million dollar crime the outcomes, both media, deterrance and proceeds of crime action are greater.
Dont shoot the messenger here, its how it is.
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"The vast majority are not investigated or actioned in any way. The argument being if you assign an investigator to a $2million dollar crime the outcomes, both media, deterrance and proceeds of crime action are greater. "
Exactly! What it means is: do not expect help from the responsible authorities, or justice. It is, however, a shame that the relevant departments are too lazy or incompetent to enforce their own legislation, but are always the first in line to take what's left. Your taxes at work.... :-[
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"The vast majority are not investigated or actioned in any way. The argument being if you assign an investigator to a $2million dollar crime the outcomes, both media, deterrance and proceeds of crime action are greater. "
Exactly! What it means is: do not expect help from the responsible authorities, or justice. It is, however, a shame that the relevant departments are too lazy or incompetent to enforce their own legislation, but are always the first in line to take what's left. Your taxes at work.... :-[
Settle petal and watch the language.
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Sorry Dazzler if it offends, but if you haven't been through the mill you will not understand the anger with both the perpetrators and the people that are there to "help (themselves)". If you have been through it, then your medication is stronger than mine! ;D
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May I offer a suggestion.
We have all given our opinions, thoughts and suggestions on this but I think its time to let the process happen being good , bad or ugly and let the people who are going through this unfortunate situation focus on the task ahead. They will keep us updated in due course.
Mark
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nothing left to be said I think. Just wait and see.
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There is no mystery chick that has any trailers. Do not know about any other trailers at all, if anyone else has got them or not. We only found out the other day. Ours was apparently pulled out while we were away, we were contacted but away. It was taken out while they were still open according to my sources. Long before the receivers and admin came in. At least a week before. We were unsure of dates until now. Still no consolation as we still do not know where we stand. We can only hope that we can get on with things and hopefully one day have something. At present it is not worth us doing anything as there is a lot of work to be done. Still it was received after the finish date. I just hope everyone can see our point of view on this. We got this in the first place so we could take our little grand daughter camping, she lives with us and we wanted to help our daughter who is not well a lot of the time. No sob story, just the truth. Now we have to wait and see what the outcome will be. Like Paul said, about the receiver, it was not taken while they were closed or in Admin, like previously thought! Anyway it is a shell of a trailer with thousands of dollars worth of work yet to be done. Time will tell. I just wish it was all sorted now, so I can get some sleep at night.
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You need to take a few days off and go find this mystery chick who has all the trailers. It might be your best hope.
No mystery chick at all, but someone with some humanity left to do a good deed, and help us. She has not taken any other trailers at all. Just hers and ours. She shall remain nameless as we do not even know her name.
Like I said , ours was taken after the finish date(long after) and paid for by the way, and it also was taken before the admin or receivers moved in. we know this now.
This one
My husband spoke to some people today in the local business area, and they said a lot of people in Jimboomba right now are hurting, I know it is not just Jimboomba but far and wide. Some paid up just last week and will never see anything now.
There is a lot of people in this community that supported them, but I am not sure now what they all think and how they will react. I mean it was dishonest to trade under those circumstances and they told a lot of lies to everyone.
We all believed them until it became the same thing week after week.
I intended to visit on Monday and demand the trailer as it was.
Seems like I missed the boat, but some smart lady acted and took it for us and kept it safe till we returned.
I think others have collected their trailers if they were towable, but terribly unfinished.
What the did probably was illegal, taking assets from the company, but can they be assets if they belong to others who have already paid??
Just do not know the answers to this yet
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Hi Guys,
I really do feel for everyone involved here.. not good when this happens. hope it works out for you in the end :)
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Sorry Dazzler if it offends, but if you haven't been through the mill you will not understand the anger with both the perpetrators and the people that are there to "help (themselves)". If you have been through it, then your medication is stronger than mine! ;D
Nothing offends me however rants don't help anyone and the f word is not used on this forum, regardless of how cranky you are. We have mini swaggers that read it.
Knowing how the system honestly works will actually let those in strife understand what to expect. When I was investigating fraud I had to tell a lot of people that I did not have the time, budget or staff to investigate their complaint. Do I allocate meagre resources to a $2m fraud or a $20k fraud? Common sense would suggest the $2m would be more appropriate and I sure didn't do it for my own benefit.
Good luck to all those effected. Take a deep breath, keep a sense of perspective and dont expect a real lot.
cheers
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After having lost $82k last month with a warranty claim on a machine I own , I know how much it hurts .
A funny quote from my solicitor and barrister " justice is never fair " ... I thought it was funny since that 1 day cost me $10k ..lol
The more I deal with humans .. the more I love my dogs
Good luck with your future
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I don't have any faith in receiver's either. I was working for a company when they arrived. They told us all would be ok and kept us working and paid us. When they found there was nothing much to sell, they sold what they could at a pittance to the owners girlfriend. We lost our holiday pay and super because he wasn't bankrupted.
I hope this all turns out ok. I feel sorry for the ones that have lost money and think the laws are lame. :cheers:
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the other thing, is as bad as it is for the consumer, i bet there is alot of other companies/suppliers/subby's that will be well and truly out of pocket. Not the first company to go under like this, and wont be the last either unfortunately
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is it confirmed that they have gone bust? website still up and running....
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is it confirmed that they have gone bust? website still up and running....
(http://www.myswag.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=26237.0;attach=67309;image)
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Do we know the total number of My Swaggers who have been impacted by this?
I would love to help out in some way - maybe if we all donated $10 to a slush fund to help Luke and others out? It would only be a small impost on us, but a huge relief for others?
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(http://www.myswag.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=26237.0;attach=67309;image)
Proprietary company limited by shares... The mongrels will keep their nice house. As I posted previously, companies are a scam for the unscrupulous to abuse. >:(
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Do we know the total number of My Swaggers who have been impacted by this?
I would love to help out in some way - maybe if we all donated $10 to a slush fund to help Luke and others out? It would only be a small impost on us, but a huge relief for others?
Good idea i reckon!..............
Oh and luke, you have no say in this!!,,,, hehe.
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Good idea i reckon!..............
Oh and luke, you have no say in this!!,,,, hehe.
My wife is rather ill and has just had another Op to hopefully clear her of all the nasty stuff. Times are relatively tough but always keen to help someone who has been dealt a Shitty deal. Will watch this space, top idea by the way.
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Thanks so much everyone for wanting to help us out. It means a lot, my wife and I have have had to save hard for the camper and still very dissapointed at what had happened. We will endeavor to eventually get a camper as that is what we love doing and we were really looking forward to taking our 1 year old and when we have out new baby it was going to make it much easier camping in a camper trailer. Thanks everyone for your help. Will keep you posted.
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Luke when we seen you and your young family we couldnt help to feel sorry for what you are going thru as we have a similar age daughter ,son in law and young grandkids in Brissy and like you they have to save hard to get what they want.I still think they stuped to very low morals in the end and unless im wrong were prepared to take deposits and not build .You want to bring that up at that meeting.You might have read in previous post of mine thats exactly what they were going to do to us at the start of this month.
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Put me down for a donation To the cause if we can get it up and running. :-) Also maybe once everything is confirmed, the swaggers affected can let us know what needs to be done. whether its a tent or an entire trailer. Once we know where people stand, perhaps some of the manufacturers on here could help out with something at a discounted rate? Then we all chip in a bit, be it ten dollars or whatnot and hopefully the poor people affected by this situation can at least get out camping with the families and see this great country of ours ;D
My two cents, but seriously though, I'll make a donation.
Cheers
Evo
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We have already offered Luke a camper at a ridiculous price when we first herd about it and they are thinking about it still no reply it just needs to be freighted from Perth
George
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We have already offered Luke a camper at a ridiculous price when we first herd about it and they are thinking about it still no reply it just needs to be freighted from Perth
George
Top effort Followme1.
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Top effort Followme1.
I can't believe it, I actually agree with Barry for once :cup:
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We have already offered Luke a camper at a ridiculous price when we first herd about it and they are thinking about it still no reply it just needs to be freighted from Perth
Yep agree amazing offer.
just the poor bastard probably has no cash left. specially with a 1 yr old
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Yep agree amazing offer.
just the poor bastard probably has no cash left. specially with a 1 yr old
He didn't loose the full value of the camper. Not everything needs to be negative.
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He didn't loose the full value of the camper. Not everything needs to be negative.
Any money given with no product given is a loss .... it is a negative ... can't see how you can see it differently , no matter how positive you want to be
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What Evo said, x2.
D4D... Shh!!! ;D
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We have already offered Luke a camper at a ridiculous price when we first herd about it and they are thinking about it still no reply it just needs to be freighted from Perth
George
You, sir, are a gentleman. Don't be too concerned about not hearing anything yet. I'm sure they are still coming to terms with what is happening.
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We have already offered Luke a camper at a ridiculous price when we first herd about it and they are thinking about it still no reply it just needs to be freighted from Perth
George
I thought you may have. :cup:
As others have said, I wouldn't be too stressed about not hearing from them yet.
seriously though, top effort!! It makes me proud to be an Aussie when others see a stranger down and do what they can to pick them back up. :angel:
Cheers
Evo
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George and his wife have been very generous and we are so over whelmed with there generosity. We didn't loose all the money to the camper and George has been generous enough to build a camper for us for the price we had left which is very cheap for a good quality camper. Freight however was a huge amount, as its from WA and we are FNQ. We are also trying to think of a way and when we could get over there ourselves as there is no way we want to take this generous offer up without meeting these wonderful people! We didn't want to post it on here as we thought they might not appreciate that yet. We are also just that 1% hopeful we would get our money back and would be able to pay George the full amount but does not think that is going to happen after seeing the debt they are in. But we have been in contact with George and have been so excited that we still get a chance at getting a camper.
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What a nice offer, well done followme campers keep that chin up luke
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How good are the people within this community. Three cheers for George
'shakey'
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I am so pleased for you Luke, I hope you and Melissa can move on after this,we are not sure of our outcome yet, some people are upset that some people actually got something and feel as if they do not deserve it somehow. Not sure about this, but I would be happy to see anyone get anything they could in these circumstances, particularly if they have paid just about all their money to it. We stand to lose $15,000 if it goes pear shaped for us.
I was so depressed on the weekend, but my husband said after losing our house in a fire some years ago and a beloved pet with it and the sanity of our daughter who was there when it happened, this is small compared with that. Living in a shed for 6 months in rain, hail and heat, flea plague, horses, dogs and cats all trying to get in when the storms hit, 5of us trying to live a tiny little shed and rented caravans,was some experience, but it taught us to be grateful for whatever we had when we moved into the new house. We found great kindness amongst strangers,We did not fold then, and we will not fold now. Just carry on and hope the outcome is better than we think right now. As for trying to support local business and small business, I think I am now very cynical about all of that. You just cannot trust anyone it seems. Not sure if we could ever bother again,but time will tell.
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George and his wife have been very generous and we are so over whelmed with there generosity. We didn't loose all the money to the camper and George has been generous enough to build a camper for us for the price we had left which is very cheap for a good quality camper. Freight however was a huge amount, as its from WA and we are FNQ. We are also trying to think of a way and when we could get over there ourselves as there is no way we want to take this generous offer up without meeting these wonderful people! We didn't want to post it on here as we thought they might not appreciate that yet. We are also just that 1% hopeful we would get our money back and would be able to pay George the full amount but does not think that is going to happen after seeing the debt they are in. But we have been in contact with George and have been so excited that we still get a chance at getting a camper.
We are so glad for you and Melissa, hope it is everything you wanted in a trailer. I am sure it is. Hope our outcome is more positive than we think it will be. Like I said at the bottom of this forum, we have been through the mill before and survived, hope we can this time, although we are older and just so depressed about all of this.
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George and Teresa, you are both champs.
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George and Theresa are people that we would all hope to meet in the world! They are the meaning of true Australians!
We are so grateful for everyone's offer of donations, we don't expect that at all we are just grateful for everyone's kind words and support. It's a shame that the company and family went bust and many people not just us lose money and campers. But we have have been lucky enough to have George and Theresa helping us out.
Julie, lets hope the outcome is better then what we are expecting and then yous could put the money towards getting the half done trailer fixed. Try be positive! We are all in this together.
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Thanks for those words Luke. John and I were saying if someone could help you and Melissa it would be something. We just felt so sorry for you both and after talking to Melissa and also hearing of her health issues last week, got me so upset. We were saying it nearly always hurts the innocent and in this case Melissa and you and your young family. I just hope they do not come after us. For what we do have is less than half of what we had on order. THese people helping you must be "the salt of the earth" real Aussies. You meet some every now and then. We are so happy for you both, now I also hope Melissa can relax a little and not be too stressed like she was at the end of the week. We may one day be able to take our family out in a finished trailer, but a long long way off yet I think.
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Luke when we seen you and your young family we couldnt help to feel sorry for what you are going thru as we have a similar age daughter ,son in law and young grandkids in Brissy and like you they have to save hard to get what they want.I still think they stuped to very low morals in the end and unless im wrong were prepared to take deposits and not build .You want to bring that up at that meeting.You might have read in previous post of mine thats exactly what they were going to do to us at the start of this month.
I know what you mean, we have had to use money from my husband's retirement fund. Just sucks, as we have waited for so long for this. Took us years to make up our minds and now this.
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Hi Everyone, what can I say but my heart goes out to all that have been left out of pocket and without trailers.
My name is Rob Moore and I am the original owner of Jimboomba Camper Trailers,And like a lot of you ,I too have
been added to the creditors list,Although we can't comment too much
at this stage due to Legal Matters,We will keep you all up to Date on whats happening as soon as possible.
We have the First creditors meeting this Friday,
this may give us a better idea where things are heading,and give us some direction.
I'd also like to Thank those who have shown support for me earlier in the forum it is appreciated .
There is so much more I want to say but I'm lost for words.
Thanks Rob
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Hi Rob cant beleive it this saga just keeps getting deeper and deeper.
Good luck all this friday from a Jimboomba owner.
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So has there been any word/sighting of the "Current owners"
Hes supposed to be driving a crane in town?
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It was good to talk to you yesterday Rob,
I am sorry to hear what has happened to you, as well as the ct purchasers who are out of pocket.
We are all keeping our fingers crossed that things can work out for the better for everyone involved.
No doubt you have the support of the myswag members.
Heres hoping you can achieve what you mentioned.
Best of luck.
If I can be of any help please dont hesitate to call, my number and email are on the thread, or pm me.
Kind regards
Paul Butler.
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Hi Rob, my husband and I are some of those people stung by this. The outcome looks bleak for us all. Not too sure what will happen next. Disappointment is quite high in our house right now. Still we will wait and see. It is a shame as Jimboomba campers had a terrific reputation and that is why we went for one. We hesitated for years, stupidly! If only we had got one a lot sooner we would have been okay. Looked at them when you were still in charge and just could not make up our minds at the time. Good luck and hope you can bring it back to life as it was an icon of this area. Being a local it hurts quite a bit driving past it. Having our little granddaughter keep saying "They're making our trailer in there" and "when will we be getting it?" SHe lives with us so is very interested and involved, even at age 4! Good luck. Hope you can get things going again.
I will be off the net for awhile as we are changing our provider, so any messages from tomorrow onwards may go unanswered.
Ranger Jules.
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hi,my name is mary, my husband and i were also ripped off by jimboomba campers,we also went to the camping show ,where we seen there trailers,we just wanted a box trailer as we already have a camper trailer which we were selling,we also have a jayco pop top pengiun which we love. we got done for $1880 which doesn`t seem much when i see how much some others got done for,our camper trailer can be seperated as we want to keep the trailer as we need one now,we want to sell the top,which has a king size bed and it has two large rooms and is made of heavy duty canvas ,it bolts on to 7x5 tailer selling for $1000,
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we want to sell the top,which has a king size bed and it has two large rooms and is made of heavy duty canvas ,it bolts on to 7x5 tailer selling for $1000,
Welcome to the Forum Mary, it would be a good idea to put this up in the classifieds area so as not to get lost in this thread.
GG
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Unfortunate to hear that Rob Moore is on the creditors list. I would just like to say during this terrible time for some, it's a credit to Rob for creating a great name and reputation for all the jimboomba campers out there traveling the country.
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Good luck for the meeting Friday for the people affected. I hope there is some clarity for everyone.
Mark
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Guys if you payed with your credit card , go to your bank they can reverse the transaction.
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Guys if you payed with your credit card , go to your bank they can reverse the transaction.
Yep ours has done that for bad transactions before.
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Guys if you payed with your credit card , go to your bank they can reverse the transaction.
I believe they were asking for bank transfers.. this was mentioned earlier but was a no go.
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Bank transfers your money is gone ! Paypal credit you're covered .
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We have already offered Luke a camper at a ridiculous price when we first herd about it and they are thinking about it still no reply it just needs to be freighted from Perth
George
George, you are a true gentleman! I am so glad we choose to build our trailer with Follow Me Campers and support a 100% local and compassionate company that really cares. Your business deserves to be truly recognised by the wider industry for building such a quality product and your approach to helping others out. Keep up the quality build and i'm sure many "second" purchasers just like us, will realise it's not all about the price on the outside of the box.
Sorry for the Hijack...
Darren & Karen
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Thanks for the support Darren, we build the best quality we can and sometimes it's nice to be able to help out.
At the end of the day we all work hard for our money.
George
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We are a CT retailer in Townsville. We were doing very well with Desert Edge campers when Telwater pulled the pin on the campers to concentrate on the boats. Unbelievable!
We did a deal with Terry and Sue at Jimboomba. I even flew 2 of us down there to visit the factory. I ordered 4 campers from the Barcoo up to the Daintree. I paid my deposit on all 4 campers 1 week before the administrators took over. You can't tell me they didn't know what was happening....now they have $20 in their bank account!
Anyway lost money aside, I hope that things might have a turn for the better and Jimboomba Campers will trade again with us as the outlet up here.
Tim
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We are a CT retailer in Townsville. We were doing very well with Desert Edge campers when Telwater pulled the pin on the campers to concentrate on the boats. Unbelievable!
We did a deal with Terry and Sue at Jimboomba. I even flew 2 of us down there to visit the factory. I ordered 4 campers from the Barcoo up to the Daintree. I paid my deposit on all 4 campers 1 week before the administrators took over. You can't tell me they didn't know what was happening....now they have $20 in their bank account!
Anyway lost money aside, I hope that things might have a turn for the better and Jimboomba Campers will trade again with us as the outlet up here.
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Tim
How do people stoop this low .As ive said previously we are the lucky ones here who didnt pay the deposit to Sue 3 weeks ago as the wife found the seconhand one.Low lifes .Sorry >:(
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We all have a responsibility to ensure these people never reserect themselves in the C/T manufacturing business ever again.
I didn't want to buy into this but having been in the finiance industry for nearly 40 years I can tell you these people knew EXACTLY what they were doing in the weeks leading up to the company going into Administration.
Unfortunately with corporate laws these days it is unlikely they will be held to account for their actions. In my book it's stealing. Plain and simple theft.
Cheers
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We all have a responsibility to ensure these people never reserect themselves in the C/T manufacturing business ever again.
I didn't want to buy into this but having been in the finiance industry for nearly 40 years I can tell you these people knew EXACTLY what they were doing in the weeks leading up to the company going into Administration.
agree. speically insisting on money up front for trailers unfinished, late being delivered and still taking money at the show.
I still wanna know are they around or did they buy Christopher Skases house?
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Maybe they couldn't afford the ticket to Majorka Bruce......lol
You watch though........they'll be back.
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Hello all,
My name is Leigh, and I run a small canvas manufacturing business in Jimboomba. We mainly do Camper Trailer tents for different companies throughout Australia. For a short time earlier in the year, I was manufacturing the tents for Jimboomba Camper Trailers. The saying is "to truly know someone, is to work for them"...well this is true. It only took a few weeks for Terry and Sue to reveal their true colours. It looks like the $3000.00 they owe me is long gone now. After hearing the reports of people who have been badly burnt by these mongrels, I definitely got off easy. I feel deeply for those affected, and hope that a good outcome is reached. There is a LOT of debt involved with Jimboomba Campers, so stay positive and fight for what is yours.
Its actually scary as to how two people could let it get that bad. But when I hear the stories of them taking deposits and payments only weeks ago, then that says alot about their character and lack of morals. Terry and Sue have not been seen in town for a while now, and I dare say they wont be for a while either. I do know a few that are thinking lynch mob justice.
You watch though........they'll be back.
Not in Jimboomba they wont! Or anywhere else for that matter. If they do decide to "pop up" at a later date with a fresh, new company, there will be many who will make life very hard for them.
Leigh.
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Tar & feathers was the traditional method of dealing with charlatans and carpetbaggers.
I bet he would get short shrift on building sites if he was exposed for what he is!
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I do know a few that are thinking lynch mob justice.
Good
and they are no doubt watching this thread pissing their pants laughing at the poor ****s that have lost their years of savings
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Oh I hope they never work in any sort of business again! They knew exactly what they were doing for sure, especially if terry has been working else where. And from rumours they have taken off somewhere.
Tim, I'm so sorry they did that to you. That is truly horrible! We live in townsville too and I flew down there just to see them and Organise our camper with them! Now we are $9000 lost and no camper (and they have $20!). But they probably get to keep there house!! I hope somehow you do get your money back or something. It just sucks! Are you flying to the meeting? We are doing it via phone, couldn't waste more money at them!
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Hello all,
My name is Leigh, and I run a small canvas manufacturing business in Jimboomba. We mainly do Camper Trailer tents for different companies throughout Australia. For a short time earlier in the year, I was manufacturing the tents for Jimboomba Camper Trailers. The saying is "to truly know someone, is to work for them"...well this is true. It only took a few weeks for Terry and Sue to reveal their true colours. It looks like the $3000.00 they owe me is long gone now. After hearing the reports of people who have been badly burnt by these mongrels, I definitely got off easy. I feel deeply for those affected, and hope that a good outcome is reached. There is a LOT of debt involved with Jimboomba Campers, so stay positive and fight for what is yours.
Its actually scary as to how two people could let it get that bad. But when I hear the stories of them taking deposits and payments only weeks ago, then that says alot about their character and lack of morals. Terry and Sue have not been seen in town for a while now, and I dare say they wont be for a while either. I do know a few that are thinking lynch mob justice.
Not in Jimboomba they wont! Or anywhere else for that matter. If they do decide to "pop up" at a later date with a fresh, new company, there will be many who will make life very hard for them.
Leigh.
Oh Leigh so would you be the company they lied about and said went bust and caused them all sorts of dramas. (That's what they were telling all there customers). I hope we all get justice cause its not fair that they can do this and do it knowingly and get away with it!
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Nobody deserves this to happen to them. - let me get that straight off the bat...
BUT
Harsh Reality Time:
Any customer who is holding out thinking they are going to get anything out of this I feel really is wasting their time and giving themselves ulcers and high bloodpressure for no gain
Sorry but if these arseholes have $20.00 in the bank, they been planning this for months.
Getting your hopes up is only going to lead to further pain and suffering and cause you health issues when it all crashes down..
Would you feel better getting $10.00 back -= thats if your VERY VERY lucky...?
Sorry, thats how I see it.
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Nobody deserves this to happen to them. - let me get that straight off the bat...
BUT
Harsh Reality Time:
Any customer who is holding out thinking they are going to get anything out of this I feel really is wasting their time and giving themselves ulcers and high bloodpressure for no gain
Sorry but if these arseholes have $20.00 in the bank, they been planning this for months.
Getting your hopes up is only going to lead to further pain and suffering and cause you health issues when it all crashes down..
Would you feel better getting $10.00 back -= thats if your VERY VERY lucky...?
Sorry, thats how I see it.
I agree. In my experience IF they were a PTY LTD and the directors were the husband and wife it would have no doubt been a $2 company as such. If it is voluntary administration they will no doubt try to get the majority of creditors to accept a company deed of arrangement which will be some stupid offer.
If this happens they avoid personal bankruptcy as a rule and are pretty much free to trade another day under a different name :(
I really do feel for the people who are effected financially. I hope there is some sort of assets or net $$$ left over after all the BS administration jargon to at least give the creditors something.
I dont know any of the facts and I havent read the whole thread so i am putting a few assumptions out there.
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Oh Leigh so would you be the company they lied about and said went bust and caused them all sorts of dramas. (That's what they were telling all there customers). I hope we all get justice cause its not fair that they can do this and do it knowingly and get away with it!
I havent been doing their tents for a few months now. As I said in my original post, they were not pleasant people to work with/for so I decided the $$ was not worth the crap that came along with it. When I first went to see them (after they approached me!) I was told that their previous canvas machinist had turned up one morning and announced that he was retiring...then and there! This left Terry & Sue in a bind and thats when they approached me. After I stopped doing their tents, I discovered that the previous canvas machinist did not walk in and 'retire'...rather he walked in and told them to "stick it up their @#$@#%".
I havent heard of any other canvas manufacturers going bust (we tend to know each other, as its a small industry), so I can safely say that they were telling porky pies on that one. Maybe they got the idea from their personal experiences!
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In regards to what "Lost" wrote...I am afraid I agree. If you see the list of debts Terry and Sue have tallied up, its down right scary. The largest debt is to the Australia Tax Office. They will, of course, take the first cut of any funds that are paid to creditors. But as it stands, the ATO debt alone is 4-5 times their asset total.
The next largest debt is a secured loan. This isnt a small loan either.
By the time it comes down to the customers and people like myself (contract suppliers), there wont be much/any money left.
Leigh.
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There won't even be enough money to pay there tax debt let alone us! I don't understand how the government can let them not pay a bill for so long. We have had to pay tax for the past 2 years due to a property and always paid on time but we he a letter every year wanting us to pay installments! How can they get away with this!! Seems like the past two years have been a total lie from them!
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If you see the list of debts Terry and Sue have tallied up, its down right scary. The largest debt is to the Australia Tax Office. But as it stands, the ATO debt alone is 4-5 times their asset total.
The next largest debt is a secured loan. This isnt a small loan either.
Just when you thought it couldnt get any worse... After reading this, I wouldnt bother waking up for the creditors meeting.
The website is still taking orders...
Hmm... slow day.. might play
http://www.jimboombacampertrailers.com.au:2082/ (http://www.jimboombacampertrailers.com.au:2082/)
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You are right "Lost". I'm not bothering to go to the meeting. I would rather have the Federal Police involved :police:. What they have done is criminal and I would like to see justice done but we have to accept that the money is gone.
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Why is it always the customers who miss out.... ^&%$#@*(&^^% JOKE!!!!!
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About the only form of 'justice' that is left for those who have been stung to hope for is that these b@st@rds will lose their house and end up on the bones of their @rses.
Frankly even that is too good for them, but at least it would be something approaching 'karma'.
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Hmmmmmmm...... their house is empty
(http://images.bcdb.com/pictures/disney/pluto/squattersrights.jpg)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adverse_possession (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adverse_possession)
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I meet Terry 2 years ago out at Wellington Caves,as i spotted his landcruiser and what caught my eye was the way the rear of the tray had been heavily modifed with alloy ,with enclosures ,compartments ,battery areas ,fridge areas etc etc.
Id say that would have to be close to $40,000
Sell that and pay back some little guys
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The question I have, Is how many "little guys" have had their savings stolen from them?
Im sure that not everyone that has been affected has spoken up on here.
How many people have been lied too, had money stolen from them, had their dreams SMASHED by these FERALS!!!
I know there are many people that would love to hand out a form of "dead ground justice" but that would only serve to get oneself in trouble.
SURELY due to stealing (fraud), criminal charges can be laid? then any personal assets that are owned could be taken and sold off as proceeds of crime?
then surely the victims could be compensated?
I know its all easier said than done, but these people DESERVE to be thrown in jail!!
Anyway I really do hope all will work out in the end for all concerned, and again a big thumbs up to the great guys on here offering to help.
Cheers
Evo
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I just got off the phone from the agency handling the insolvency. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but here goes.
1) Terry & Sue, at this stage, will not be offering creditors a deed of solvency. For those who dont know, this is a payment plan type setup, that normally results in the creditors getting more money back. Unless Terry & Sue change their minds, this will not be happening.
As a result of this...
2) The company will go into liquidation. From here the creditors get paid out in a certain order. Secured creditors first, then unsecured creditors, and then the customers. How much they get paid (cents in the dollar) is undetermined at this point. The Australian Tax Office is an unsecured creditor now (the law changed a while back).
Simone (Agency handling the solvency) was very upfront with some things, and her immediate thoughts are this...
By the time it gets to the customers turn for receiving payouts, there will be no money left to payout. So basically, contract employees and customers will get nothing. Even if there was some money left to pay out to the customers and such, it would be split up evenly between all at something around the 20c in the dollar. I hate telling you all this, but at least now you may have a better idea on where you stand, and what is happening.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, and I hope you dont shoot the messenger.
Leigh.
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Hmmmmmmm...... their house is empty
(http://images.bcdb.com/pictures/disney/pluto/squattersrights.jpg)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adverse_possession (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adverse_possession)
Adverse possession is 30 years in Victoria. Was previously 15 years.
However, it would be good if someone was to commence the process I guess.
Likewise, find out their vehicle rego and attempt to register a lien on it.
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Adverse possession is 30 years in Victoria. Was previously 15 years.
However, it would be good if someone was to commence the process I guess.
Likewise, find out their vehicle rego and attempt to register a lien on it.
this one from their video off their site? Did they have a cut down Dualcab GQ Ute?
(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt13/4btyres/stuff.jpg)
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You are right "Lost". I'm not bothering to go to the meeting. I would rather have the Federal Police involved :police:. What they have done is criminal and I would like to see justice done but we have to accept that the money is gone.
The AFP will only investigate if it passes an assessment by their ops monitoring centre under heir referral system. There is a link on their website. I doubt they would accept it as a referral sadly.
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this one from their video off their site? Did they have a cut down Dualcab GQ Ute?
(http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt13/4btyres/stuff.jpg)
Seeing as how the pic is posted on their web site re-posting it here is hardly a breach of n@nny "priv@cy' l@ws :police:, so hopefully it will be left here for those with an interest to access it.
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The law in this country for these kind of matters is an absolate joke. These scumbags know all the laws & loopholes that will protect them. Having earlier this year lost my job along with 25 others all losing 9 mths super + entitlements. Administraters got paid but no one else when money ran out they liquidated the company. All assets were spread around in kids names. He still has his nice big house & holiday unit on the beach. Within weeks this scumbag was up & running again. Would love to mention his name but i would end up in more trouble than him, was advised by solicitor not to even approach him in the street. As hard as it is all you can do is keep smiling and get on with life because these kind of people have no genuine friends like all of us here and usually get what is coming to them.
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Isn't if funny how the administrators come in to these kind of company windups, charge $600/hr and then walk away at the end leaving everyone with nothing and them with a nice big payday.
That's got to be immoral too. I've seen this happen too
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Isn't if funny how the administrators come in to these kind of company windups, charge $600/hr and then walk away at the end leaving everyone with nothing and them with a nice big payday.
That's got to be immoral too. I've seen this happen too
Correct. :(
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This is not defending them but I think you would be surprised by the amount of companies that run this close to the wire. All it takes is one of debts being juggled To go pear shaped and the whole thing comes crashing down.
many of these people aren't dodgy or Gerald or whatever, just businesses caught in a bad position trying to get out of it.
Of course others are as dodgy as the day is long
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This is not defending them but I think you would be surprised by the amount of companies that run this close to the wire. All it takes is one of debts being juggled To go pear shaped and the whole thing comes crashing down.
many of these people aren't dodgy or Gerald or whatever, just businesses caught in a bad position trying to get out of it.
Of course others are as dodgy as the day is long
I agree whole heartedly. Many many businesses are techniqually trading insolvent if you want to pry. Especially a small business that has to carry debtors for 30-45-60 or even 90 days....chances are they are playing a rob Peter to pay Paul act.
But there comes a point where you know it is getting beyond salvage and that is the point where you DO NOT rob the little man. Sure its one thing to bow out owing the tax department and big banks money but a decent person would see to it that the fellow small business down the road was sorted and the general public was not ripped off before surrendering all hope. Thats how I think anyway.
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The hard thing is most of us would not know what it is like to run a business and struggle. Trying to survive and pay bills.
I think what has happened is wrong but it is happening all the time we just don't hear about it unless someone we know is affected.
Mark
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The hard thing is most of us would not know what it is like to run a business and struggle. Trying to survive and pay bills.
I think what has happened is wrong but it is happening all the time we just don't hear about it unless someone we know is affected.
Mark
I am wondering how different it is to running your own household. Finance is pretty simple when reduced to its simplest form: spend less than you earn. Unfortunately its a concept that many, many people still fail to grasp. It's why pay rises don't solve financial crises.
As stated by others, this situation would have been well known by the owners for a long time, and it would have taken a freakish number of sales at the recent show to save them. The only conclusion, based on what has been posted here, is that they were delusional.
When considering the CT industry, unless buying from a national chain (for eg Jayco) then any purchase could carry the same or similar risk. How many others are getting close to the edge?. It would be a fair bet there are others in very similar predicaments.
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I am wondering how different it is to running your own household. Finance is pretty simple when reduced to its simplest form: spend less than you earn.
Typically your boss pays you on time, not the same with debtors...
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Isn't if funny how the administrators come in to these kind of company windups, charge $600/hr and then walk away at the end leaving everyone with nothing and them with a nice big payday.
That's got to be immoral too. I've seen this happen too
My work is in this situation at the moment. Ai automotive, the recievers are getting 1k an hour. All our entitlements are frozen and the only chance we have of getting them is from the government gear s scheme if the company winds up. Ssounds like we might go into liquidation next week....the management walked away with there nice bonuses and entitlements....
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Typically your boss pays you on time, not the same with debtors...
True, but as a business owner you are already aware of this. With great risk comes great reward. Like playing the stock market. Any business with minimal assets has only one option: maintain a healthy cash float. And therein lies the problem. Small market, smaller piece of this market for individual sellers, require large profit margin per sale and lose just 1 sale a month due to GFC or whatever and hey presto they are screwed.
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True, but as a business owner you are already aware of this. With great risk comes great reward. Like playing the stock market. Any business with minimal assets has only one option: maintain a healthy cash float. And therein lies the problem. Small market, smaller piece of this market for individual sellers, require large profit margin per sale and lose just 1 sale a month due to GFC or whatever and hey presto they are screwed.
Sadly in most cases the small business owner who has to carry debtors is doing it by way of overdraft and/or off setting it by extending terms with creditors. As someone already pointed out, it only takes one major creditor to clamp down and it can spell the end when your trading on the brink of insolvency.
I am not condoning what has happened in this case, just pointing out the reality as I have seen it in my experience.
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The hard thing is most of us would not know what it is like to run a business and struggle. Trying to survive and pay bills.
I think what has happened is wrong but it is happening all the time we just don't hear about it unless someone we know is affected.
Mark
Mark i agree with what you have said. I am not condoning what they have done at all. Do we know if they appointed the administrator or did a creditor call them in? Anyone that says it's easy to run a small business should try it one day. There are alot of small business's that fail within the first 3 years and alot of business owners that really struggle to make ends meet when you are carrying accounts for are 90-120 days over due but they still have to pay suppliers on time or it's stop credit.
Tim
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The hard thing is most of us would not know what it is like to run a business and struggle. Trying to survive and pay bills.
I think what has happened is wrong but it is happening all the time we just don't hear about it unless someone we know is affected.
Mark
Well said Mark you are spot on
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Mark i agree with what you have said. I am not condoning what they have done at all. Do we know if they appointed the administrator or did a creditor call them in? Anyone that says it's easy to run a small business should try it one day. There are alot of small business's that fail within the first 3 years and alot of business owners that really struggle to make ends meet when you are carrying accounts for are 90-120 days over due but they still have to pay suppliers on time or it's stop credit.
Tim
Difference here was they were an established business (longer then 3 years) and what has ben been pointed out many times was that they weren't waiting on payment for an account (e.g. customers were asked to make "progress" payments) yet one person has chimed into to say as a supplier they were owed money, that is the difference between being told "the cheque is in the mail" as oppossed to saying "the cheque is in the mail".
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Well said Mark you are spot on
Too bad that is the risk you take. I think it is irresponsible to act they way they did and for anyone to go into self employment and not understand the financial risks is just plain ludicrous.
Many (not all) business owners are the first to brag about their lot in life, gloat about the tax right offs they get and impress you with their shiny toys they get tax free.
If you wanna roll the dice in business for yourself and lose, then man up and take it flush on the jaw.
A good business was taken over by a couple of clowns who had little idea or backbone - they deserve whatever comes their way.
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Too bad that is the risk you take. I think it is irresponsible to act they way they did and for anyone to go into self employment and not understand the financial risks is just plain ludicrous.
Many (not all) business owners are the first to brag about their lot in life, gloat about the tax right offs they get and impress you with their shiny toys they get tax free.
If you wanna roll the dice in business for yourself and lose, then man up and take it flush on the jaw.
A good business was taken over by a couple of clowns who had little idea or backbone - they deserve whatever comes their way.
so I take this that your having a personal dig at me Paul and because I agreed with mark comments or do you know something about me I don't?
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No Taz. Not having a dig at anyone on here. I respect everyone's right to an opinion.
What I am construing is you should never go into business unless you have your eyes wide open and understand the risks. Too many people do without realising how bloody hard it is. You do well then good on you. But if you don't you man up and take responsibility.
I think the same happened recently with property where young people mortgaged themselves to the hilt while interest rates were low. As soon as rates went up many were up in arms, citing mortgage stress and some were even looking to governments for a bailout.
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No Taz. Not having a dig at anyone on here. I respect everyone's right to an opinion.
What I am construing is you should never go into business unless you have your eyes wide open and understand the risks. Too many people do without realising how bloody hard it is. You do well then good on you. But if you don't you man up and take responsibility.
I think the same happened recently with property where young people mortgaged themselves to the hilt while interest rates were low. As soon as rates went up many were up in arms, citing mortgage stress and some were even looking to governments for a bailout.
I just found it strange you highlighted my comment and you never replied to Marks.
Young or old I cringe how first home buyers can afford to even purchase a house. Mortgage stress Try telling that to the poor staff from jimboomba campers who have no job and still have a mortgage to pay.
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I can certainly believe that business's go bust often due to the lack of understanding of the business owners - not saying this is the case here at all. They may have the passion for what they "want" to do, but it's the rest of it that is hard for them to get their heads around. In the business I'm in ... a lot of clients don't even understand what it is that we do or why we have to do it so often even though it's a requirement for their business. A lot of our clients go bust in under a year and leave us with their unpaid bills due to a "dream" that isn't quite what they expected.
Just saying is all ...
Kit_e
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As a licenced sub contractor i am required to do a business management course as part of my licence requirement just to employ myself. Anyone can buy or start a business with no training or business skills at all ???.
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I know a couple of very clever successful businessman who have gone bust not because of their lack of nous but because a bunch of their creditors have gone busy and suddenly many thousands of $$ that they are owed isn't coming in and bang you are in all sorts of trouble , sometimes things out of your control can screw everything up, as shown here, customers and creditors are effected by forces out of their control
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Wow, I wanted to comment on so many posts from this page, I rolled them into one!
I am wondering how different it is to running your own household.
No offence, but the fact that you are suggesting this or at least asking this question, means you are not qualified to answer. If only it were that easy......
Sadly in most cases the small business owner who has to carry debtors is doing it by way of overdraft and/or off setting it by extending terms with creditors.
Agree!
The hard thing is most of us would not know what it is like to run a business and struggle. Trying to survive and pay bills.
Amen!
Anyone that says it's easy to run a small business should try it one day.
Amen!
gloat about the tax right offs they get and impress you with their shiny toys they get tax free.
This idea of 'tax free' is pie in the sky. Business's have to pay tax and they have to pay for their shiny toys' - they are not free.
Anyone can buy or start a business with no training or business skills at all ???.
Doing training or having business skills does not make business's immune from going broke.
I know a couple of very clever successful businessman who have gone bust not because of their lack of nous but because a bunch of their creditors have gone busy and suddenly many thousands of $$ that they are owed isn't coming in and bang you are in all sorts of trouble , sometimes things out of your control can screw everything up, as shown here, customers and creditors are effected by forces out of their control
Agree.
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All good stuff sixtys guy.
Yet there comes a point when you goddam know you are struggling and its at this point that a persons true character comes out.
Once at this point you stop taking the little guys money. I think, based on what has been posted, this point occurred quite some time ago.
Lets face it. If only part of what has been posted is accurate a person of character would have stopped trading "due to illness" and finished the orders and paid out its creditors, even if this meant selling up the house and whatever else needed.
If the business can reopen then the 'illness' is okay now and away you go. No one hurt. Brand intact.
My view from a not very successful small business person :)
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Also not to offend :D
But
No matter how far we all want to look into the how's and whys , at the end of the day.
1. They new they were going under
2. They still took money off families right at the end.
3. Excuses about how hard a business is to run is no excuse ..plain old mongrels IMO .
When your ships going down you don,t stand on mums, dads and little kids heads just so you can take another breath, at the cost of theirs.Cowards .....
Jet ;D
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Yet there comes a point when you goddam know you are struggling and its at this point that a persons true character comes out.
Once at this point you stop taking the little guys money. I think, based on what has been posted, this point occurred quite some time ago.
Agree with this too Dazzler. I was certainly not defending the owners of Jimboomba Campers, from what I have read on here they probably have should have wound up the business and cut their losses some time ago.
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1. They new they were going under
2. They still took money off families right at the end.
3. Excuses about how hard a business is to run is no excuse ..plain old mongrels IMO .
I think we can all agree on this......
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Hey Luke and Melissa,
We have some more good news for you, we have had 2 offers made direct to us.
$250 from Earthrite Drilling Co
and an offer of either $250 or frequent flyer points from our customer Troy so you can come over to meet us and take delivery of your new camper in person
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It's just shocking that people can be so gutless to take money from others knowing full well they are shutting up shop. But on a great side note its highlighted the great Aussie spirit. It's got me thinking, I wonder if we can somehow get this camper from perth to FNQ? I'd be willing to collected it from perth (I live a couple of hours south in bunbury) and take it say 3-400km in the right direction if someone could do the next leg and the next if you get my drift. I could even donate some tires I have for the trip so that the brand new ones on the camper will still be new when they arrive at Luke's joint.
We could even document the whole trip with pics and a journey plan to make sure the camper doesn't get lost on the way.
Anyway just a thought.
Shane
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Great idea shane the tyres arn't the problem they need a new matress
George
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It's just shocking that people can be so gutless to take money from others knowing full well they are shutting up shop. But on a great side note its highlighted the great Aussie spirit. It's got me thinking, I wonder if we can somehow get this camper from perth to FNQ? I'd be willing to collected it from perth (I live a couple of hours south in bunbury) and take it say 3-400km in the right direction if someone could do the next leg and the next if you get my drift. I could even donate some tires I have for the trip so that the brand new ones on the camper will still be new when they arrive at Luke's joint.
We could even document the whole trip with pics and a journey plan to make sure the camper doesn't get lost on the way.
Anyway just a thought.
Shane
Top idea. I'd be happy to help.
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Hi everyone,
I totally understand what everyone is saying about business owners and unless you are one its hard to comment on how to run a business, but........
This company has been in trouble for a long time and would have known a while ago that they had no hope and thats where they should have stopped taking the little mans money. Without going into details on here cause frankly I just cant be bothered wasting my time anymore. As a business they did not go into receivership the correct, legal or morale way. But anyway all this talk doesn't bring back the peoples money and hard earned cash. There are many people out of pocket just like us and many more that have lost a lot more money then what we thought. And not only that a good camping business is down the drain.
There is ONE good thing to come out of all of this and it makes us feel so privileged that this can happen for us but we have been made a fantastic offer from George and Theresa from Follow Me Campers. We have been discussing with them for many weeks about them providing a camper for us that is more then half price off there normal price. This is such an amazing offer. We hadn't taken them up on this offer until this weekend cause we wanted to make sure we couldn't get our money back some way so we could pay them the full price. Which we knew would be slim chance but thought we should try.
Everyone needs to be aware of the generosity that we have received from Follow Me Campers. They have been truly fantastic and we just don't even have the words to thank them. This has been an emotional time but having people like them offer the things they have offered is just unreal!!! We are so touched and will be making sure everyone is aware of this great family business and that there are good business people out there!
Thank you everyone for all your offers of help. I didn't catch the name of the person offering to help take it some KM's for us but thanks so much for that. We are trying to look into ways that we can get over that way to meet these wonderful people and collect the camper ourself or at least just to get over and meet them is what we would aim for. Its such a long way to go but we believe we have to try something :).
Also thank you to Follow Me Campers customers too that have started to offer to help towards freight and flights, just the thought of your generosity counts. We will certainly endeavour to be promoting all good people that have come out of this!
Thanks so much everyone. Luke and Melissa
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Sixtys Guy,
Running a business isn't as simple as running a household budget ... yet some politicians are forever telling us that the rules of household budgeting apply to the national economy / budget. Both views can't be correct.
As to paying for shiny new toys... buiseness owners can pay for these out of pre-tax income, so reducing the tax they pay. The extent of such tax deductions and other perks - e.g. Sales tax exemption on big 4 wheel drives and excise holiday on diesel fuel for many - including the mining companies FFS! - significantly shifts the tax burden to those working for wages / salaries.
Companies would say they deserve that, because they are the ones taking the risks - but that is what profit is for.
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Hi everyone,
There is ONE good thing to come out of all of this and it makes us feel so privileged that this can happen for us but we have been made a fantastic offer from George and Theresa from Follow Me Campers. Everyone needs to be aware of the generosity that we have received from Follow Me Campers.Also thank you to Follow Me Campers customers too that have started to offer to help towards freight and flights, just the thought of your generosity counts. We will certainly endeavour to be promoting all good people that have come out of this!
Thanks so much everyone. Luke and Melissa
G'day Luke,
This is the best thing i've read here so far............ Luke & Melissa, if you can stick your pride aside for a bit, i know from previous posts that there are a few on here that would send a few bucks to help cover your travel expenses........ i understand it's not an easy concept to get your head around, having strangers help you out of a situation, but there are people here that would be getting around grinning for a day or two knowing that the few $$ they chucked your way helped you get your family out on the road........ the way i see it, it's no different to you or i deciding to stop and help a bloke unbog his vehicle.......... have a think about it.
Also, Follow Me Campers :cup: :cup: :cup: ..... top stuff!!
Stay well.
Barrabart.
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Hi All
That's great news Luke & A big thumbs up to Follow Me Campers.
I feel your pain Luke & all the others that have been left out of pocket.Well their was no good news at the creditors meeting not that I thought their would be. Hopefully some of our questions might be answered. Like were some of the tools & payments may have gone.
On a good note I would like to say with the support of my family and work colleagues the brand will live on & we will be adding this great product to our range. I would also like to let people know that, those that have unfinished trailers or are still looking for one, that have been affected by this that myself & business partners Joe & Juanita would like to help were we can.
Rob Moore
Original Owner of Jimboomba Camper Trailers
Feel free to call me on 0408018418
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Bad news about what has happened, but knowing there is hope for those with unfinished trailers is the best news we have had in weeks. How long is it likely to be before any of this can happen. I am glad the brand may survive as it was an icon here in Jimboomba. We also badly affected by what happened and do not know where to turn to next. We have had some very kind offers, but still feel we are in the dark as to what will happen next and when.
Jules
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Hi Ranger -Jules
Sorry to here you are one of the affected people.Please give me a call and i will see what i can do
Thanks Rob
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I will call you and get some info. We have just been so devastated by what happened and could not believe that people we thought we knew could do such a dreadful thing to so many. Not sure why it happened and why they allowed it to get this bad. We should have bought one a few years ago while you were still in charge! We took a long time to decide, too long it seems. We were unlucky enough get it at the wrong time like all the others. Not sure how many have been affected by this, But from what I have gathered we are very much not alone. Just not sure what the next steps will be and how to go about it. Will call and you may be able to help with info if nothing else.
regards
Jules
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Hi rob,
Melissa and I were very saddened to hear at the meeting on Friday about how you were effected not only with the cash but with the fact that you had worked so hard with that businessmp at the start and for this to have happened must have really upset you. We are so happy to hear that you are going to take on the business in someway. There was a reason we were going with that camper in the first place and its good they will still be produced as they were a good camper. We wish you all the best of luck with starting it up, we realise it will be a long road before its up and going again but it will be worth it for you's and the camping enthusiasts. We are still hoping that justice will be served in some way and we all get some answers to the questions we all had. Best of luck to you and your business partners I'm sure you will make it a success.
Ranger -jules: not much news come out of the creditors meeting which is disappointing and was expected but if you have not contacted the administrators you really have 2 options. 1 option is to contact them and list yourself as a creditor (although there is no money to go out to any of us anyway) or 2 option don't say anything and hold onto the trailer you have and although it sucks that you didn't get what you paid for you will at least have a jimboomba camper and you will be able to get rob to finish it for a cost. Which I know is not the best news as you had already spent so much money but its a little bit of a start and a better position then others.
Good luck rob, we look forward to seeing many more jimboomba campers on the road in the future.
Luke and Melissa
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Ranger Juls :
It did come up at the meeting about the trailers that were given to some customers. Apparently all this trailers were road worthy and could be registered so they were near complete, obviously your was not road worthy as you had no lights etc. you could let the admin know this as it will put you as being owed more, but it may not be worth your while as there isn't any money in the business anyway. They aren't going to be taking these trailers off people as there is no proof etc and that's not what anyone wants, so I believe (but don't quote me) you will be fine to keep the trailer.
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This is the best news yet in all of this. I am sure you will get a fantastic camper and this is so good of them to do this. People like this amaze me with such generosity. Still it shows that there is still some humanity and kindness left in the world. The selfishness of those that took from us all , is disgusting to say the least. There is NO excuse for what they did to so many, and I am sure there are many more out there. We are still in the dark with all of this. We just feel deflated and let down and feel like there are no answers to why it happened. I know they ran out of money, but to let it go on and on was just so very very immoral. I do not know how long it will take us to pick up the pieces and try again to finish or fix or start again. Someone told us they may have just shredded the evidence of payments so no one will ever know how much went missing. Slush fund comes to mind, probably have other property to escape to as well, Still this is just speculation on our part and you cannot help feeling cynical in all of this mess. We will never find out why or where it all went to. All we can hope for is to move forward and hope that Jimboomba campers may get taken over by someone with morals and class!
we also have had kind offers of help and when we know more will contact them and organise what is to be done.
Jules
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Being able to keep the trailer is the best news we have had in weeks, not good for those who missed out completely like yourselves and others. there is nothing we can say to make it better for anyone in this. As for Rob taking over the business, that is just going to be so hard for him with what went down,but everyone in Jimboomba will want to support him and will get behind him in this. We all respected what he did with that business and built it up from scratch and to have someone come along and just ruin it, is so heartbreaking. We will support him as much as possible, it will take us some time to get things going with Christmas and all the things that need sorting out. We will also take a long time to get it fixed as we have too many family issues to deal with right now. At least now we may be able to ask for help with the finishing off, at least the bits we can do ourselves. We have had very kind offers on this site. People out there do care and it is great to see the true Australian spirit in helping ones mates still lives on.
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The next steps.
1 - Stop saying much on here chances are the administrators will be googling for Jimboomba Campers. Although from personal experience and that of others, they might not do much at all. If people have things at home, they dont now. Make them go away
2 - Seek some counciling, it will help.
3 - There is no money to refund you, or to buy you a new trailer. Its all gone. No point waiting around for it.
4 - Seek legal advice, and speak with the administrators.
5 - Get what you have finished and use it - if you cant afford to, sell it and buy a tent
6 - Take any offer you get from knights in shining armour.
7 - Walk away.
8 - No more progress payments. Pay a deposit, and 1 more on pickup.
9 - Nobody on earth would deal with anyone called Jimboomba Campertrailers anymore, so I would think long and hard about taking it over.
Hope this helps.
Edit: those that went to the meeting, how many people were there as in customers?? I'm betting theres customers who have paid a deposit that were told 8-12 weeks that don't even know yet.
Does anyone know if the ADministrators have spoken to the "owners"?? or dont they have to in this situation???
17 October they released a new trailer (http://www.jimboombacampertrailers.com.au/article/10/NEW_MODEL_Brisbane__Walkthrough_Offroad_Camper_Trailer_has_been_released)
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good advice, we will not knock back help, we do need help with finishing off, just clues on how to make a bed base and fit gas struts etc. Plus so much more. At least we do have proof we paid, but not much consolation for the sleepless nights and worry, Luke and Melissa suffered a lot of distress and with a young growing family did not need this, no one did. I am glad they have help in fulfilling their dream. Maybe one day we will meet up with some of these great people on the road. We will look forward to that.
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Lost - the administrators talk to the director of the company through out the investigation.
There wasn't many people at meeting or on phone hook but there is a few people that have listed themselves as creditors. You don't have to go to meeting. The administrators send letters to all that have paid deposits etc or owed money.
Julie- don't quote me on being able to keep the trailer that is just our assumption. Sorry
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Interesting read on administrators.
PPB and Freehills alone helped themselves to almost $19 million and $13.8 million respectively. Nine law firms, a slew of consultants and the ubiquitous ''assurance'' firms were there for the kill, too.
The bill for travel and accommodation surpassed $2 million. Flagstaff Partners, a little-known merchant bank with links to ANZ, took home $6.8 million for providing advice. Who said talk was cheap?
If there were three sectors most often upbraided in recent times for their very high fees - the electricity networks, the liquidators and the lawyers - it is no coincidence that all three have the pleasure of setting their own fees.
When you see two of these working in tandem, the result is blistering blow-outs in fees. In the case of Burrup these turbo-charged paper-shufflers were ripping out $4 million a month, almost $1 million a week.
Read more: http://www.watoday.com.au/business/fee-hunters-grab-56m-in-14-months-20121202-2aoz4.html#ixzz2DwrVH37g (http://www.watoday.com.au/business/fee-hunters-grab-56m-in-14-months-20121202-2aoz4.html#ixzz2DwrVH37g)
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9 - Nobody on earth would deal with anyone called Jimboomba Campertrailers anymore, so I would think long and hard about taking it over.
^^^^ This
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9 - Nobody on earth would deal with anyone called Jimboomba Campertrailers anymore, so I would think long and hard about taking it over.
Opinion only. You can't speak for others. There still a great camper and dodgy management is gone. Bring back a great camper company, I say!
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9 - Nobody on earth would deal with anyone called Jimboomba Campertrailers anymore, so I would think long and hard about taking it over.
Opinion only. You can't speak for others. There still a great camper and dodgy management is gone. Bring back a great camper company, I say!
x2 :cheers:
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Hi Luke
I was very close to buying one of there campers from the online side of things, I couldnt get hold of them, I rang & rang & rang, funny I must have dialed the wrong number when I searched on google and I spoke to Rob from Jimboomba Trailers, and he told me about what the go was with them, I thought how lucky was I, lol... Rob was also very helpfull with getting me quotes on a custom package, but I have decided to go another style camper.
I hope you get it all sorted out, cheers
Casey
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Opinion only. You can't speak for others. There still a great camper and dodgy management is gone. Bring back a great camper company, I say!
Never said they werent a great bit of gear at all.. But I feel that the company name is tarnished now. Im betting the Rob bloke that started it is just as pist as many other people.. There's a thread here with a bloke removing the stickers/mudflaps with Jimboomba Campers on them off his trailer - overkill I reckon... People arent happy
People research things online these days, they may not like what they find.
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I just wish I knew where they scarpered to! I wonder where they are hiding now?? This is so unfair to leave so many unsure of where to turn who to trust etc. We are so much in the dark over this and do not know where to turn next. One minute we think we may be able to carry on with what we have, but then get the jitters not knowing what to do next. We cannot get anything registered without a bill of sale or some sort of release document. Just up in the air. Hoping that we may be able to keep something. Do not want to start again, just too tired and fed up with the ups and downs. We only have bank documents with the proof of what we spent. Unfinished product and not knowing who to turn to for help. Maybe when we know more, and that could be sometime yet, we can move forward. Until then it is a waiting game. Have not received any info in the mail as yet. Hopefully Rob can start out again, as the JCT was and is a good product regardless of what some say. It is light weight and easy to tow. Hope he gets it going again, I know everyone here in Jimboomba will get behind him after this. If anyone can help with info on registering the trailer if and when we know more, and how to go about getting a bed base made?? Still I guess we are jumping the gun, as Luke said, nothing has been said as to what may happen to those who got their trailers. We may end up with nothing yet, but not without a fight!!
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We cannot get anything registered without a bill of sale or some sort of release document.
I am a shonky bastwerd so if it were me I would hunt around for rusted out old box trailer with rego on it. Pay me $200 or whatever, put the vin number and plate on my new one and be done with it. Tell no bugger and move on. If it sorts itself out, pull the plate and the vin, put the new one on and whammo you have a new trailer.
And yes, I dont know how I sleep at night :angel:
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any advice is welcome at this stage. We have a trailer already, but it has a small number plate not like a car. Also the trailer has a vin already, so not sure what to do about that! Still we will see what the future holds. Thanks for the tip. Someone suggested rebirthing it as a home made trailer, still unsure about that as well. I guess that is what it would be anyway after you change stuff.
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Cut the vin off, first time you go to rego it's a home made trailer. You'll have to get a new number stamped by RTA (they should tell you where to get it done) and Bob's your cousin's father.
I'll find out for sure when Vic gets home :D
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Okay if we do this, can we then get it registered and insured? They need to have that vin for this. We need to finish it first. Like I said earlier, we have yet to know if we can keep it yet! THose bloody admin people, receivers get a huge whack of money, they take first serve, what is left goes elsewhere, but customers usually get zilch! Like I said we will fight if we can. Will not give up without a fight.
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Thanks Rob,
have been too busy today to contact you, and just feel helpless again. We have a vin on the trailer and no documents of release or sale other than bank proof which we do have. We paid $15,000 to those people. Retirement money, or some of it. Have waited so long for this. Just need to know where we stand I guess, have to get registration, canvas made, bed base and struts etc etc, finishing off other stuff. My husband can do some of this, but we cannot start until we know if we can keep it. However we will fight to keep what we have, why should we give it up after paying out so much money? Any advice is going to be valuable to us. Knowing the trailers as you do, you may have some suggestions that could be useful.
Jules
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Cut the vin off, first time you go to rego it's a home made trailer. You'll have to get a new number stamped by RTA (they should tell you where to get it done) and Bob's your cousin's father.
I'll find out for sure when Vic gets home :D
Woohoo - 2 shonky bastwerds :cheers:
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Never said they werent a great bit of gear at all.. But I feel that the company name is tarnished now. Im betting the Rob bloke that started it is just as pist as many other people.. There's a thread here with a bloke removing the stickers/mudflaps with Jimboomba Campers on them off his trailer - overkill I reckon... People arent happy
People research things online these days, they may not like what they find.
That would be me Lost but i only removed the phone number part of the stickers now trying to work out how to cover the phone number part of the mudflaps.Love my Jimboomba.
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Before the receivers step in, just make up a bit of a chassis trailer, with a draw bar and cheap hitch on it, put the vin off your Jimboomba trailer on it, and tell them that's what you got. Use new steel so it looks the part. The pencil pushers will have no idea what kind of trailer it is, or what it's supposed to look like.
Have you been served with something like summons papers saying for it to be returned?
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Woohoo - 2 shonky bastwerds
Who? Us?? :angel:
Jules and Luke, demand to know when they are going to auction off all the remaining trailers and stuff, you may manage to get a bargain and salvage something.
Has anyone contacted ACA or TT??
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Do you really think it is a smart idea to instruct someone how to illegally register a trailer on a public forum? Especially one that is pretty much one of the top google results and is in the process of legal actions.
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Do you really think it is a smart idea to instruct someone how to illegally register a trailer on a public forum? Especially one that is pretty much one of the top google results and is in the process of legal actions.
I think you will find the topic has been covered in much detail on this forum over the years. Comes with the territory I figure.
PS I have a rusty old trailer for sale if anyone wants it. $200 and its yours.
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Before the receivers step in, just make up a bit of a chassis trailer, with a draw bar and cheap hitch on it, put the vin off your Jimboomba trailer on it, and tell them that's what you got. Use new steel so it looks the part. The pencil pushers will have no idea what kind of trailer it is, or what it's supposed to look like.
Have you been served with something like summons papers saying for it to be returned?
received nothing as yet, not sure what is going on at all. Just so annoyed by it all. Will fight if we have to.
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Julie- if you weren't on the books as being owed money or a camper then they wouldn't have sent you anything in the mail. As I said in previous posts you either need to contact the administrators and tell them what happened or not say anything and leave it at that. I know you keep saying the banks get everything and tax and the receivers and yes this is the case, but unfortunately there is no money to pay any of those debts back let alone all of us. There is a lot of money owed to a lot of people some are owed a little and some are owed just way to much to even think about it but either way there is no money in the company to pay anyone back. If you put yourself as a creditor you will get a list at the next meeting of exactly how much money is owed etc etc.
Some good news for us we have received the contract for our new camper with follow me campers...we just can't say how grateful we are. We have also had Melissa's parents offer to pay with frequent flyer points for myself to fly to Perth to see the new camper and ,meet these wonderful people! So thank you everyone for you wonderful offers of help, just knowing good people are out there makes it all better!
Luke
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I am glad you can go to perth to meet these wonderful people, good luck with the next camper you get, at least you are likely to get it this time! We may not know for ages. We just are too unsure to contact them about it and if we say nothing will have to wait to see if they contact us at all.Maybe say nothing, but then know nothing. Just too undecided as to what to do. Some say, lie low, others say find out. Feel we need more info before doing anything. Still we will try and fight it if they want to try and get it off us. Not sure of the legalities in all of this yet. I know possession is one thing and having documentation of payment is also some proof, but the law is an ass a lot of the time and justice is not always fair as some one said. Just makes you realise the law protect those with money and position, the little people get nothing most of the time and it is about time we all retaliated and stopped taking this crap! Time to revolt!!!
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Do you really think it is a smart idea to instruct someone how to illegally register a trailer on a public forum? Especially one that is pretty much one of the top google results and is in the process of legal actions.
Doing vin swaps is pretty common knowledge. The amount of people who have registered written off caravans etc by getting an old set of numbers that not on the WOVR, and stamping them onto their 'new' caravans is huge! Give the chassis a coat of paint so it looks new, say it's a fix her upper, and then you can also wheel it in and say you built the caravan and get new numbers. The rediculous new laws have made it so that innocent people become crooks. In the mean time, the crooks get away with blue murder ..... got to wonder where the justice in this world has gone ???
That is fantastic news Luke!
Laying low might be the best option for you Jules
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Luke that's great to hear and hopefully eventually this will be a distant nightmare! Follow me trailers sound like a great company and people.
Jules you really need to stop and seek some advice professionally. Don't take this the wrong way I feel terribly for you but as lost has mentioned you need stop airing everything on a public forum. You recieved your trailer at a very questionable period in the company, basically it could be said you were a " favoured" creditor and as such you could be liable to return the goods. Now the administrators might be good people and realise that getting 5 half finished trailers back worth $10k at auction is going to make diddly squat difference to the $2??k in debt but the law can be the law.
You have been given some good advice, not all strictly kosher but thats not to say it ain't good advice. Time to talk to someone professional and come back to myswag when you have your abmoobmij camper trailer ;-)
Iam sorry this news ain't going to help you get off the Xanax, I really am sorry for you and would support what ever the collective good people of myswag could come up with to help you. It sounds like Rob might be a good place to start?
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Yeah you are right, get advice from whoever can help us. Being on the forum does help though. other people's thoughts ideas etc really boost you when you need it. I appreciate all the help we have had from this site. I just need to know stuff, so asking the questions seems like a good idea. Well we will see. If we keep getting messages and replies I feel obliged to comment.
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As I have said to you Jules I don't think your going to get a phone call from someone wanting to come and collect your camper.........stick up some pictures and lets get on with fixing it up.
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If we do have to start again, where do we start? So many out there, it is mind boggling. We just wanted a light weight trailer with the stair case in it. We do not want to tow a lead weight with a Forester. It is also easy for us to manoeuvre by hand. We are not exactly spring chickens. Still we do not give up easily. We have always been careful with our money, not wasted it, helped our kids, been through tough times like most of you out there, to fight again,. still there comes a time when you just have had enough. This could be it. If we have to start again, maybe we will stick with the tent and tarp like we have all these years. Just wanted a bit of comfort as we get older. ANy ideas about what campers are light and easy and not too expensive? Not too big either.
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will stick up pictures when we feel more confident. That would be a happy day I can assure you. Until then we watch and wait!
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As I have said to you Jules I don't think your going to get a phone call from someone wanting to come and collect your camper.........stick up some pictures and lets get on with fixing it up.
of that trailer he bought off Paul (SA) for $200?? Good idea :)
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Ranger jules,
with legalites in mind ...
You paid for a trailer right ..in a certain form registered and all that.
the supplier did not follow thru and gave you a trailer that is not what you ordered but still a semi finished trailer.
Go to dept of transport QLD
Purchase a vin plate $12 form DN1644 I think from mem
Then attach one thing to the trailer yourself .. as well as placing the vin that transport gives you on the trailer.
Then fill out form F3970es trailer self assesment.
then take all the forms back and get the trailer registered to you as a box trailer .. then when camper conversion is done do a re-compliance and roadworthy if brakes fitted as a camper trailer.
This way you are compleatley legal ... although the chassis has a number from the contracted builder ..they never finshed and registered the trailer so that chasis number that was listed to them will just never be used.
YOU are finishing the trailer at home so tech you have a homemade trailer and as such can register it as such.You built it ..it does not say what % you must have built to claim homemade. Like if your mate welds it all up for you ..you still built it and if you paid him some $$$ to do it for you as your skills were not there but you did something on the trailer then is homemade by you. Buliders don't build the house the contractors do ..if you know what I mean.
If recivers come knocking it;s in your name and registered ;D ;D and you will not have brocken any re-birthing laws.
What cond is the trailer in ..IE how much work to have it at a registerable state for a box trailer .
If you need any help /advice with wiring or need any parts let us know I can source a few things for you and I,m sure the myswagg network will have plenty of bits laying around. and if you need any help will chuck in some free labour as well to get it done for you.
My kids are prob being schooled with all the taxes you guys have paid over the years so I'd be happy to help get that retirement back on track.
Kind regards
Jet ;D ;D
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I would like to thank you for this help and advice. We will follow through with this advice asap. Positive advice is good, and we know we need to make sure we do it right. We just want to finish what we have and get out there and use it. Life is too short for all this crap going around and the negativities of the legal system. I guess what ever we do we will be damned by some and hailed by others. We cannot do anything until after christmas anyway. Still even if we start to do something it feels good, just not spend too much to start with. Play a bit safe I guess.
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I would like to thank you for this help and advice. We will follow through with this advice asap. Positive advice is good, and we know we need to make sure we do it right. We just want to finish what we have and get out there and use it. Life is too short for all this crap going around and the negativities of the legal system. I guess what ever we do we will be damned by some and hailed by others. We cannot do anything until after christmas anyway. Still even if we start to do something it feels good, just not spend too much to start with. Play a bit safe I guess.
Just think you will be camping by a creek enjoying a cold beer looking at your camper and all of these hassles will be a memory.
Mark
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I would like to thank you for this help and advice. We will follow through with this advice asap. Positive advice is good, and we know we need to make sure we do it right. We just want to finish what we have and get out there and use it. Life is too short for all this crap going around and the negativities of the legal system. I guess what ever we do we will be damned by some and hailed by others. We cannot do anything until after christmas anyway. Still even if we start to do something it feels good, just not spend too much to start with. Play a bit safe I guess.
I don't know if this helps, but I think I read somewhere that you don't have any lights on the trailer?
I have a spare set of new LED tail lights, clearance lights, 10M of 7core wiring and a 7pin flat plug sitting here on a shelf that Im not using?
I think all you would need is a number plate light.
I bought them for my boat trailer but went with a different style and already have my "special ones" for my camper build.
Im more than happy to donate them too you if that would help?
Pm me if you would like them, or if you would like I can throw a photo up to see if they could fit on your trailer?
Cheers
Evo
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Do you really think it is a smart idea to instruct someone how to illegally register a trailer on a public forum? Especially one that is pretty much one of the top google results and is in the process of legal actions.
And what, the AFP are going to come and lock me up for what crime?
Do you REALLY think the cops are scanning myswag for potential aid and abet crimes against the traffic act?
"Hey Sarge, quick, call out SWAT, this is BIG!"
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And what, the AFP are going to come and lock me up for what crime?
Do you REALLY think the cops are scanning myswag for potential aid and abet crimes against the traffic act?
"Hey Sarge, quick, call out SWAT, this is BIG!"
Calling Fuji... front counter customer waiting to see you :D
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Calling Fuji... front counter customer waiting to see you :D
lol
Go get em "other" evo!!! :police:
Cheers
Evo
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And what, the AFP are going to come and lock me up for what crime?
Do you REALLY think the cops are scanning myswag for potential aid and abet crimes against the traffic act?
"Hey Sarge, quick, call out SWAT, this is BIG!"
No but it can cause issues for people like Jules in the legal claim of their trailer. The administrators would do a scan of forums and social media etc to garner as much info as possible about the situation.
The administrators job is to get as much money etc to those on top of the list and as such could reclaim trailers etc to recoup this debt. Now add to this a deliberate and illegal attempt to hide the fact and I don't imagine they would just feel sorry about it and let it go.
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I highly doubt that.....they don't get paid for that type of thing and unless there is a massive amount of unaccounted for money there will not be a forensic accountant involved.
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They would search for mentions to see about the history leading up to the administration to see if there was talk of cash deals etc etc
All I'm saying is why take the chance of screwing things up for someone by posting suggestions of dodgy ways to keep a trailer and illegally register, send them a PM if you want but forums aren't private and anonymous
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They would search for mentions to see about the history leading up to the administration to see if there was talk of cash deals etc etc
All I'm saying is why take the chance of screwing things up for someone by posting suggestions of dodgy ways to keep a trailer and illegally register, send them a PM if you want but forums aren't private and anonymous
Ok don't argue about it everyone. Let's open a book up and see if the Jimboomba trailer scandal rates a mention anywhere soon in police files.
I am taking bets, what are your odds? All proceeds to ranger jules.
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One thing I do find interesting is the website hasn't been pulled down. More can still get stung with the online store which is still active.......Crazy......:-(
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I think now the administrators are in control the website (online shop) would be safe. Dealing with administrators is safe as they (should) grantee every transaction. I can't imagine them building trailers so you would get your money back if the transaction went through.
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posting suggestions of dodgy ways to keep a trailer and illegally register, send them a PM if you want but forums aren't private and anonymous
Nothing about keeping it. If they are not lawfully entitled to it then it MUST go back otherwise its theft. I am talking about USING the thing. If yo took it to mean stealing something then you misinterpreted what was said.
The bottom line is this. These poor buggers are going to get NO help. There is no cavalry over the hill. No white knights. The owners will not be organising working bees to get these things done. Try rocking up to the RTS to try and register one of these that is lawfully owned yet unable to be proven.
Of course no one is going to take up our shonky suggestion. Seriously. I am sure they will wait for three or four years while the company is wound up.
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I think now the administrators are in control the website
They need to update the testimonials.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Ranger-Jules
Take it Rob at Jimboomba Trailers. He will be able to finish it and register it for you. Don't go down the shonky path.
Tim
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No but it can cause issues for people like Jules in the legal claim of their trailer. The administrators would do a scan of forums and social media etc to garner as much info as possible about the situation.
They are only concerned with what is in front of them when they assume control of the business, and if they go looking for stuff, it will be in the form of secret squirrel finances hidden away by the business owners. The only physical assets they will be interested in are along the lines of bricks and mortar, and saleable assets on the premises. If it's not on the premises, it won't rate a moments thought.
It's not a bad idea to take some care with what you post on a public forum, but I very much doubt that anyone is going to be too concerned about a trailer or two; going by how these people seemed to do business I reckon you could also bank on the chances of any paperwork for the 'missing' trailers being either non-existent or so minimal as to be meaningless - so there won't be a paper trail leading to them either.
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They need to update the testimonials.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Ha Ha. You don't miss an opportunity mate do you. Love it. :cheers:
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Any progress updates?
Kit_e
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There was a reply on here earlier cant see it now think it might have been removed was in regards to the owner being spotted somewhere, not going into it as there must have been a reason it was removed
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They have been found trading insolvent since April! Sue is the owner and terry as gets to walk away with nothing against his name! There are missing vehicles and trailers owned by the company! If I was them I would go into hiding! Bastards are nothing but thiefs!
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I 'm following the thread on fb.
Don't suppose you will be allowed to post their full names here, but would be good to have them on the facebook group, for future reference.
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They have been found trading insolvent since April!
Gee I find that hard to believe
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-yd9B_8ZqW84/TeDwORRBH8I/AAAAAAAAkYE/1xDM3sbu3wM/s1600/sarcasmoxd.jpg)
and all those orders they were taking at a camping show in Oct/Nov wasn't it?
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There names are terry and sue Willis. That's common knowledge so I'm not saying anything inappropriate there.
There's one thing to go bust but to take people's money knowing you are is just plain old theft!
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Consequences of insolvent trading
There are various penalties and consequences of insolvent trading, including civil penalties,compensation proceedings and criminal charges.
The Corporations Act provides some statutory defences for directors. However, directors may find it difficult to rely upon these if they have not taken steps to keep themselves informed about the company’s financial position
Civil penalties
Contravening the insolvent trading provisions of the Corporations Act can result in civil penalties against directors, including pecuniary penalties of up to $200,000.
Compensation proceedings
Compensation proceedings for amounts lost by creditors can be initiated by ASIC, a liquidator or a creditor against a director personally. A compensation order can be made in addition to civil penalties.
Compensation payments are potentially unlimited and could lead to the personal bankruptcy of directors. The personal bankruptcy of a director disqualifies that director from continuing as a director or managing a company.
Criminal charges
If dishonesty is found to be a factor in insolvent trading, a director may also be subject to criminal charges (which can lead to a fine of up to $220,000 or imprisonment for up to 5 years, or both). Being found guilty of the criminal offence of insolvent trading will also lead to a director’s disqualification.
ASIC has successfully prosecuted directors for allowing companies to incur debts when the company is insolvent, and has sought orders making directors personally liable for company debts. ASIC also runs a program to visit directors, where appropriate, to make them aware of their responsibilities to prevent insolvent trading.
The good news is that taking steps to ensure your company remains financially sound will minimise
the risk of an insolvent trading action. It may also improve your company’s performance.
http://www.asic.gov.au/asic/pdflib.nsf/LookupByFileName/Insolvency_guide_for_directors.pdf/$file/Insolvency_guide_for_directors.pdf (http://www.asic.gov.au/asic/pdflib.nsf/LookupByFileName/Insolvency_guide_for_directors.pdf/)
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Sorry Lost, but their propaganda is a great steaming pile of BS, complete with flies. You will note that, like most weasel-speak, it is full of ASIC "may", "can" and "could". Note the distinct lack of ASIC "shall" and "will". In reality ASIC will do absolutely ZERO to pursue these directors. The employer I was done over by owed (according to administrator) ATO, ESANDA and others, including employees, somewhere north of a couple of $million, AND was allegedly hiding assets. They had been trading insolvent for at least 18mths, because they were unable to pay in any superannuation during that time. Even their accountant had cut them off, so I have no idea what ASIC accepted as the yearly (supposedly audited) company returns. When I had the temerity to suggest that they perform their duty as advertised I got a nice letter from ASIC legal suggesting I might wish to fornicate elsewhere . If the media is not interested in the case then neither is ASIC. Like most of these organizations they are only interested in something that will make them and the govt look good; justice and fairness for you and me is not part of their charter.
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Sorry Lost, but their propaganda is a great steaming pile of BS, complete with flies. You will note that, like most weasel-speak, it is full of ASIC "may", "can" and "could". Note the distinct lack of ASIC "shall" and "will". In reality ASIC will do absolutely ZERO to pursue these directors. The employer I was done over by owed (according to administrator) ATO, ESANDA and others, including employees, somewhere north of a couple of $million, AND was allegedly hiding assets. They had been trading insolvent for at least 18mths, because they were unable to pay in any superannuation during that time. Even their accountant had cut them off, so I have no idea what ASIC accepted as the yearly (supposedly audited) company returns. When I had the temerity to suggest that they perform their duty as advertised I got a nice letter from ASIC legal suggesting I might wish to fornicate elsewhere . If the media is not interested in the case then neither is ASIC. Like most of these organizations they are only interested in something that will make them and the govt look good; justice and fairness for you and me is not part of their charter.
t303,
E Apparently Harry 'Breaker' Morant had a 'rule' that would seem appropriate to cuts that trade insolvent.
Iirc the name of the rule was identical to the numerical part of your 'handle'... >:D. :police:
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Apparently Harry 'Breaker' Morant had a 'rule' that would seem appropriate to cuts that trade insolvent.
Iirc the name of the rule was identical to the numerical part of your 'handle'.
Just a happy coincidence....
But being a law abiding citizen, I'm all for following some rules to the letter (or calibre) >:D
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Just a happy coincidence....
But being a law abiding citizen, I'm all for following some rules to the letter (or calibre) >:D
Yep, likewise... Lucky for some that the vast majority are.
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Like most of these organizations they are only interested in something that will make them and the govt look good.
I reckon its worth a try.. Today Affairs love stories of poor robbed hard working families.. Insert "ROBBING HOUSE BUILDER" for "*@#&*$@#($*& CAMPER TRAILER NON DELIVERERS"
justice and fairness for you and me is not part of their charter.
at last someone agrees with me
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Like most of these organizations they are only interested in something that will make them and the govt look good; justice and fairness for you and me is not part of their charter.
I think I mentioned this earlier but it is simple. The govt has a certain amount of taxpayers money to spend on investigations. They allocate according to the Fraud Control Guidelines (or its recent replacement). Go and read it.
Its easy to slag them off from the cheap seats but I ask you this, how much would you like to increase you taxes by to employ investigators to investigate every single complaint to ASIC (or any of the other organisations). Each extra investigator would be at least $100k per fte.
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I think I mentioned this earlier but it is simple. The govt has a certain amount of taxpayers money to spend on investigations. They allocate according to the Fraud Control Guidelines (or its recent replacement). Go and read it.
Its easy to slag them off from the cheap seats but I ask you this, how much would you like to increase you taxes by to employ investigators to investigate every single complaint to ASIC (or any of the other organisations). Each extra investigator would be at least $100k per fte.
No offence to anyone but like most things involving the government they need to cut the dead wood and stop the waste instead of increasing taxes. Then they could help out the little guys more efficiently.
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I think I mentioned this earlier but it is simple. The govt has a certain amount of taxpayers money to spend on investigations. They allocate according to the Fraud Control Guidelines (or its recent replacement). Go and read it.
Its easy to slag them off from the cheap seats but I ask you this, how much would you like to increase you taxes by to employ investigators to investigate every single complaint to ASIC (or any of the other organisations). Each extra investigator would be at least $100k per fte.
Well I'm not slagging them off from the cheap seats but silly me, I was under the apparently misguided idea that ASIC was there to UPHOLD CORPORATE LAW and to prosecute the wrong doers you know, that silly old fashioned idea of protecting joe public from shonky business practices.If they are not going to do the job properly get rid of ASIC entirely, at least then joe public will know exactly where he stands and not be lured into a false sense of security and that would save the taxpayers money I'll bet London to a brick, that if one of ASIC's top people had got stung Jimboomba's directors would be hanging by the short and curlies by now, so please don't come out spouting about "fraud control guidelines". ASIC is PAID by the all the TAXPAYERS but only some of them, apparently,are being protected.
End of rant.
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Firstly I wasnt quoting you so settle.
I am pointing out THE FACTS of how the government allocate investigations.
Do you really think Joe Taxpayer could possibly fund enough investigators to cover EVERY crime.
If so, heres your chance to explain how.
Away you go........
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Just to help you out here with your calculations, as a fraud investigator my fte costs were around $100k. I managed to investigate on average five serious fraud related crimes per year, about 15 average crimes and around 30 other matters. I would also manage around 10 or so matters before court. This was about average for an investigator. In my section there were five investigators. There is half a million just in FTE.
The average taxpayer pays around $25k in tax.
Hope that helps a bit with your calcs.
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I am pointing out THE FACTS of how the government allocate investigations.
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As I said either ASIC does the job properly or get rid of ASIC, why pay a watch dog that only has 1 tooth.
Do you really think Joe Taxpayer could possibly fund enough investigators to cover EVERY crime.
If there was a zero tolerance policy adopted, and decent penalties handed out, yes, the taxpayer could afford it. It would be almost self funded and hopefully over time these sorts of "crime" wouldn't be worth the risk and we would see big decline in this behaviour .
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I think I mentioned this earlier but it is simple. The govt has a certain amount of taxpayers money to spend on investigations. They allocate according to the Fraud Control Guidelines (or its recent replacement). Go and read it.
Its easy to slag them off from the cheap seats but I ask you this, how much would you like to increase you taxes by to employ investigators to investigate every single complaint to ASIC (or any of the other organisations). Each extra investigator would be at least $100k per fte.
Sorry Dazzler, but that one doesn't fly. In most cases the administrator has already done all the hard work and found all of the skeletons (and, incidentally, siphoned off all the remaining cash in the process; so it really doesn't cost the govt a dime). The administrator can hand ASIC the files, which should allow even Inspector Clouseau to close the case. I would be happy if these organizations would simply do the job they are legally required to. In my case the company failed to provide a yearly return and ASIC let it roll on for most of another year; who knows how long they would have gone on without intervention if they hadn't gone totally bust!
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As I said either ASIC does the job properly or get rid of ASIC, why pay a watch dog that only has 1 tooth.
**** theres more toothless wastes of time that are there to make the plebs "Feel safe" in the Gov than sand on the beach
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To Take people's money and orders while they were in trouble is just typical of greed. I mean taking orders and promising people they would fulfil them is theft! I am surprised they cannot be charged with theft! If you go out and take something that is not yours, you would be charged with theft! How is this any different?
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To Take people's money and orders while they were in trouble is just typical of greed. I mean taking orders and promising people they would fulfil them is theft! I am surprised they cannot be charged with theft! If you go out and take something that is not yours, you would be charged with theft! How is this any different?
Because many times the added cash flow gets a business back out of trouble.
It's not theft it's deception that many businesses use to no I'll effect to customers but unfortunately when it crashes down it does it big time and effects a lot of unknowing customers
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Just to clear this up a bit. I don't agree with the system that the govt uses but understand the hr issues.
Handing over a file, or a referral to prosecute, doesn't mean scanning it into a computer and pushing enter - game over off to court. If you intend to prosecute then you need to prepare a brief of evidence that covers the proofs for every part of the offence. Every transaction needs to be accounted for and linked to the offence and you need to cover every possible defence.
Here is an example. I was handed a referral from The ato for a 1.2 million tax fraud. That is routine referral nothing big. The tax office already had a prima facile case we just had to put it together with witnesses and search warrants on compliant organisations.
This took over three months to get to brief prep alone and then another three years of court before he was sent to gaol and assets confiscated under poca released.
That is ONE case. As one of the sen investigators I sat on the panel that accepted or rejected referrals based on the govt's system. Now even if we could have done as we liked, and accepted every one who reported a matter to us, how could we manage it? That one matter used up about six hours each day.
So I sincerely apologise if anyone is upset by me standing up for ASIC. I know a few investigators there and they do their best. They are not dumb, stupid, lazy or corrupt. They do their work according to the rules the govt set. Slag off the govt by all means if you think they can provide more investigators to do more investigations. The reality is there are not that many good investigators out there. Fraud is not issuing speeding tickets ;) :)
Cheers
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. Slag off the govt by all means if you think they can provide more investigators to do more investigations.
Cheers
That's exactly what I was doing 8)
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Maybe trading insolvent should be made an offense of strict liability. We have probably got it barse ackwards. Over in the middle east (can't remember whether it is Dubai or Abu Dhabi) they arrest first then start the proceedings. That might work pour encourager les autres >:D
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Because many times the added cash flow gets a business back out of trouble.
It's not theft it's deception that many businesses use to no I'll effect to customers but unfortunately when it crashes down it does it big time and effects a lot of unknowing customers
Many years ago the ever so clever accountants and beancounters realized they could improve their cash situation if they put their debtors on seven day invoices and paid their debts after 90days (or 10% down and the rest by summons). The cash roundabout stalls and everyone suffers. The govt is pretty good at slow paying too.
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Many years ago the ever so clever accountants and beancounters realized they could improve their cash situation if they put their debtors on seven day invoices and paid their debts after 90days (or 10% down and the rest by summons).
our place does that - even if terms for the other company are 30 days... we are constantly on hold when ordering stuff. but if someone is 1 day late, to the collection agency
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JUst hope that Terry and Sue Willis feel some guilt this Christmas knowing what they have done. They have left so many people mistrusting of local business. They have also made those people feel betrayed and cheated by the theft of their money and hopes.
I know you should let go of all the negativity from this, but sometimes it is hard when you think about what could and should have been!
Still waiting to hear if there is any chance of some people getting something out of it all. I especially feel for Rob the previous owner, what a gut wrenching thing to happen to something you put your heart and soul into over years of hard work.
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JUst hope that Terry and Sue Willis feel some guilt this Christmas knowing what they have done.
Still waiting to hear if there is any chance of some people getting something out of it all.
Dude, get over it,. Your not getting a brass razoo... Not **** all.. The money is GONE.. BYE BYE... The tax office arent going to be all lovey dovey and share with you. Neither are the business' that are owed money.
Your only stressing yourself out *hoping* theres a god and your getting money back. There aint a god..
And Terry and Sue will be crying over their Martini's and xmas gifts worrying about all the people they been ****ing over... someone said trading insolvent since March or similar?
I suggest if you really cannot see the money is gone and your not getting spit, which has been mentioned several times from people who are also suffering in this whole gig that the money so GONE BYE BYES then you need to see councilling.. We can arrange a hour with Speewa if you need... Others have moved on on this forum and others..
It may seem harsh, but someone has to say it.
YMMV
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I suggest if you really cannot see the money is gone and your not getting spit, which has been mentioned several times from people who are also suffering in this whole gig that the money so GONE BYE BYES then you need to see councilling.. We can arrange a hour with Speewa if you need... Others have moved on on this forum and others..
It may seem harsh, but someone has to say it.
YMMV
Here here! And Amen. There seems little to add to this thread other than what has been said a couple of dozen times over. Unless there is some fresh news or developments on people's trailers it might be time for a moderator to close this . I have read it with interest, but really everything has been said or discussed - nothing new or insightful left to add.
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i run a small business, i know that most of the time when a customer goes broke and owes me $5,000 - $10,000 they normally owe the tax man $200,000 - $500,000, they normally owe there staff in holiday pay and super $100,000 - $300,000
taxman first, staff second, the rest of us last
if i want my money it would cost me $25,000 in legal fees to get back $5,000 in four years time if theres any left
i just drop it, move on and never forget, i will find them one day
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if i want my money it would cost me $25,000 in legal fees to get back $5,000 in four years time if theres any left
i just drop it, move on and never forget, i will find them one day
As the old saying goes, "Walk quietly and carry a big stick."
SOMEONE will catch up with them eventually, but with so many looking for them it would be difficult to sheet the blame home to any individual... ;D >:D :police:
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I wonder how fast Kimberley had this page up ;)
http://www.kimberleykampers.com/deposits-and-fair-trading-laws (http://www.kimberleykampers.com/deposits-and-fair-trading-laws)
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I could be wrong but I think they're having a crack at Ultimate who have the 30/30/40 payment thing.
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I could be wrong but I think they're having a crack at Ultimate who have the 30/30/40 payment thing.
i thought this was the give away
One of the dissapointing aspects of the caravan and camper trailer industry is when you hear of a customer losing their deposit after a manufacturer cannot deliver a product
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Maybe they're having a crack all camper builders.
This is the Ulti bit
There are also examples of manufacturers withholding refunds from customers when they are unable to meet a general production date with a new product. This is difficult for customers.
Kimberley NEVER asks Customers to pay 30% then a further 30% weeks before production is finished.
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Kimberley NEVER asks Customers to pay 30% then a further 30% weeks before production is finished. [/i]
Hmmm, well maybe that is 'Kimberley' - 18mths ago when we updated we did the three part payment BEFORE delivery to the dealer.....but we did get out Kamper.
Tim
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Interesting comments
I was speaking with Terry's boss just before Xmas, who reckons Terry is devastated about what has happened and noted he has lost everything including his house and his car. According to his boss Terry wants to pay everyone back and with his current job and yearly income which is double mine, it is quite conceivable that he could make amends and pay everyone back.
However, according to his boss the Govt will only allow him to earn a median income (I don't think it is right to give the exact amount out) and they take the rest, until they have what they are owed..?
I can see that in desperate times these business people think the additional cash flow (from deposits and progress payments) will help keep the creditors away and keep the business going, however in reality it never does as all they are doing is robbing Peter to pay Paul. A local joiner went under just before Xmas yet he still took a deposit on a $30K kitchen the day before he went under. He owed the taxation dept. $950K plus a large amount of outstanding super to the employees.
What gets up my nose is when an Employer goes bankrupted or into liquidation the Govt and Banks always get their money 1st and will always survive through increased taxes or interest rates. It’s the employees who turn up everyday in good faith to do a job as best they can and are the core of the business (any business) who loose out. They loose their jobs and all entitlements including any unpaid wages, holiday pay, long service leave and outstanding super which they can never recover from.
Who protects the employees?
Disclaimer -: I do not know Terry and have no association with Terry, his family or Jimboomba Campers and until the other night I did not know Terry's boss.
Wartim
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Hung drawn and quartered
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However, according to his boss the Govt will only allow him to earn a median income (I don't think it is right to give the exact amount out) and they take the rest, until they have what they are owed..?/quote]So he is earning double what you earn, and the poor soul can only take most of it. I feel for him.
Im sure theres several customers who would pay money for his work address as you know the boss.
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I read this entire thread last night (One of the benefits of being away camping with no TV to bother me). My wife and I were speaking to Terry and Sue early in the year, right about the time they must have been in big trouble. The wife remembered how persistent the return emails were with regards to the quote we were negotiating with them.
I'm just happy that we saw our Lifestyle for sale second hand on myswag and decided to buy that, as we very well could have ended up tangled within this bloody mess. I might buy a lotto ticket today :)
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Good news Luke and Melissa your camper has just come back from the powder coaters.
The boys worked hard to sneak yours in early
George
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Hmmm, well maybe that is 'Kimberley' - 18mths ago when we updated we did the three part payment BEFORE delivery to the dealer.....but we did get out Kamper.
Tim
Same here 8 months ago ???
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Same here 8 months ago ???
But is that the dealer asking for progress payments? Remember he would then keep your progress payments in his account earning interest until Kimberly have finished the Kamper and had to pay.
Our dealer asked for a deposit and then two weeks before delivery the final payment. I presume that by this time the Kamper is all but complete, we also were going through a finance broker therefore it may take some time to get the money through.
I am not associated with Kimberly or the dealer.
Bunyip
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We paid a deposit on ordering and final payment due before delivery.
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Good news Luke and Melissa your camper has just come back from the powder coaters.
The boys hard to sneak yours in early
George
That's great news, George.
After what you and Teresa did for me and mine in July and now what you are doing for Luke and Melissa, you have both brought back my faith in the Aussie spirit.
Luke, I don't know which camper George is building for you but I can definitely vouch for the quality of his work and that you will be getting one awesome camper.
Once again, our hats are off to FollowMe.
Cheers
Craig & Nikki
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Can't we make a chain of people taking the CT east?
Everyone drives a certain distance to the next member, which drives the CT to the next, until it arrives at Lukes and Melissas place.
It will take a while (hence the name for WA ;D ) but it will be there for the end of the year.
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I think best option is to put it on a truck. Bloke gets a NEW NEW trailer. :)
Get people to donate towarde the costs.
I'm in.
and get the media in on it like when swaggers fixed the flood victims trailer with help of Johnny
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I think best option is to put it on a truck. Bloke gets a NEW NEW trailer. :)
Get people to donate towarde the costs.
I'm in.
and get the media in on it like when swaggers fixed the flood victims trailer with help of Johnny
Agree with above, having others responsible for your pride and joy has great potential for going pear shaped...... best of using a professional carrier to deliver, and yep i'd throw in a few bucks too to help out with delivery.
Great news too........ Top stuff Follow Me Campers :cup:
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Is throw in some dollars to help get it there.
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Yep........i'll make my deductible donation to it.
Can we organise the Paypal thing at the top of the page to do it?
Cheers Nomad
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Yep........i'll make my deductible donation to it.
Can we organise the Paypal thing at the top of the page to do it?
Cheers Nomad
Thats for the site owners. Its been asked about before for donations and the owner said no.
If Followmecampers is willing to run with this, I'd suggest direct deposit is the way to go into an account of his choice
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Fair enough.........................
Can we do a thread with a PP or dd link with an account reference?
I am a tech retard so apologies for the fax paux.......................
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Fair enough.........................
Can we do a thread with a PP or dd link with an account reference?
I am a tech retard so apologies for the fax paux.......................
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
this one..? :) :) :)
http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=27253 (http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=27253)
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FFS.......I am a tech retard give me a f^cking button to push and I can give a bit of $$$$$.................
Sales 101.....If someone wants to give money don't put a barrier in the way........... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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FFS.......I am a tech retard give me a f^cking button to push and I can give a bit of $$$$$.................
Sales 101.....If someone wants to give money don't put a barrier in the way........... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
LOL!!! ;D ;D :cup:
I dont even know what section it was in, but saw it earlier today, n searched for followme's last posts
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Thank you so much everyone for all you words and support. George and Theresa have been so fantastic and after what jimboomba owners did to us it's been good to see there is genuine Aussie business owners out there that not only care about money but care about there customer.
We have just been so over whelmed with the generosity of people and it's really helped us try to move on from what jimboomba campers did to us and many other people.
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Hi Everyone, we have started a new thread "help needed (transport camper Perth to QLD) http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=27253.0 (http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=27253.0)
This is a copy of the instructions I have listed on that thread for all you wonderful people that offered to donate towards moving Luke and Melissa's new Follow Me Camper from Perth to northern QLD.
I will be updating that thread every few days with the running total so you can all see how close we are to getting their camper on a truck and over to them. The estimate for freight is around $2500 so we really appreciate all your donations no matter how small.
1) Login your paypal account https://www.paypal.com/au/webapps/mpp/home (https://www.paypal.com/au/webapps/mpp/home)
2) select "send money"
3) enter our email address followmecampers@bigpond.com
4) enter the amount you want to contribute
5) select "personal"
6) select "gift"
continue
confirm the details and send your donation.
If you don't have a paypal account and don't want to bother opening one, PM us and we will give you bank account details to pay the donation into.
thanking you all in advance
George & Teresa
Follow Me Campers
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Good news Luke and Melissa your camper has just come back from the powder coaters.
The boys worked hard to sneak yours in early
George
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Echo.... ;D
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See new thread about new life at Jimboomba Campers,taken over by the original founder, Rob Moore of Jimboomba Trailers and Fabrication http://www.jimboombatrailers.com.au/ (http://www.jimboombatrailers.com.au/)
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Jules ranger Im guessing your in qld. I would suggest you go into the qld motor transport and ask them the question. I have a trailer I have a copy of payment and I have a stat det that your purchased it, obviously dont go into details but you might just find its registerable legal and legit as a jimboomba camper.
As for small businesses going broke being thieves etc etc its not always the case. I know its hard to think they still take deposits but they were probably trying to trade out of trouble. You would be suprised how many businesses trade insolvent and then come good. I know a few people that have gone bust and none have been able to keep money or goods. Most small business owners are mortgaged to the hilt and just treading water treading a fine line between floating and sinking. A mate of mine went broke. He was trading trying to get out of strife, always saying if I just get this job or that job ill be fine, using deposits and progress payments to keep jobs going but it all caught up with him. He had debt collectors and customers chasing him but he had nothing, he had lost the lot. He hung himself about not long after his marriage broke down.
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Jules ranger Im guessing your in qld. I would suggest you go into the qld motor transport and ask them the question. I have a trailer I have a copy of payment and I have a stat det that your purchased it, obviously dont go into details but you might just find its registerable legal and legit as a jimboomba camper.
As for small businesses going broke being thieves etc etc its not always the case. I know its hard to think they still take deposits but they were probably trying to trade out of trouble. You would be suprised how many businesses trade insolvent and then come good. I know a few people that have gone bust and none have been able to keep money or goods. Most small business owners are mortgaged to the hilt and just treading water treading a fine line between floating and sinking. A mate of mine went broke. He was trading trying to get out of strife, always saying if I just get this job or that job ill be fine, using deposits and progress payments to keep jobs going but it all caught up with him. He had debt collectors and customers chasing him but he had nothing, he had lost the lot. He hung himself about not long after his marriage broke down.
Pauly,
The last thing those who were ripped off by those scum need is to be made to feel guilty about the theives involved.
Trading insolvent is illegal. End of story.
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Trading insolvent is illegal. End of story.
It may well be ... but you can only get charged with about a million things these days ... IF YOU GET CAUGHT. :police:
Doesn't mean you can't do it though, and I'd guarantee that many do / have / will - they just haven't got knicked for it YET.
Kit_e
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You obviously didn't get the memo that all of us self employed people are rich. We can work when we want and only if we want. I can't understand why everyone doesn't do it!
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Can I recommend the 'hmmm.... Myswag seems bit grumpy at the moment' thread to you guys
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You'll have to make another blanket apology in your thread now
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Boys!
Please play nicely.
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Kit_e
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{As this thread has been "moderated" have removed post as it made no sense anymore}
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Jimboomba Campers Trailers (It's All Good Off-Road) as many have heard fell into recievership hands last Nov (2012). As a result of the closure many customers were left in the dark about the future of the business.
The Jimboomba Camper Trailer product is a true, tried and tested Aluminium Camper that stands up to the Australian climate and has been built on the back of many years of development and research. This being said the former owner (prior to 'It's All Good Off-Road), Robert Moore enlisted the help of Joseph Plater, Owner/Director of Jimboomba Trailers and Fabrication Pty Ltd a company that holds a strong reputation for building, designing and manufacturing durable, tough commerical trailers in steel and aluminium for the Machinery and Hire Industry nationally. Together Robert and Joseph have brought back the company and re-launched under the name
Jimboomba Camper Trailers Australia Pty Ltd.
www.jimboombacampertrailers.com.au (http://www.jimboombacampertrailers.com.au)
They have re-launched the product under new management and in a new manufacturing facility (5 Paul Court, Jimboomba). As part of the re-launch we have expanded the sale of the product to a number of Camper Trailer Dealerships;
AUSTYLE Camper and Trailers (Tony) 1/15 Logan River Road, Beenleigh QLD
Ozzie Campers (Tim) Cnr Charles and Madden St, Townsville QLD
We are currently seeking a dealer in the Northern NSW area (contact us for more details)
We would like to express our sincerest apologies to any customer or consumer that was affected by the collapse of 'It's All Good Off-Road', and reiterate that the individuals involved with 'It's All Good Off-Road' have absolutely no connection to the new directors or company.
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Nice job with revamping the website and great to see you've brought back the Explorer Staircase.
Hopefully you guys can make it over to one of the WA shows this year.
Cheers
Craig
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Jimboomba Campers Trailers (It's All Good Off-Road) as many have heard fell into recievership hands last Nov (2012). As a result of the closure many customers were left in the dark about the future of the business.
The Jimboomba Camper Trailer product is a true, tried and tested Aluminium Camper that stands up to the Australian climate and has been built on the back of many years of development and research. This being said the former owner (prior to 'It's All Good Off-Road), Robert Moore enlisted the help of Joseph Plater, Owner/Director of Jimboomba Trailers and Fabrication Pty Ltd a company that holds a strong reputation for building, designing and manufacturing durable, tough commerical trailers in steel and aluminium for the Machinery and Hire Industry nationally. Together Robert and Joseph have brought back the company and re-launched under the name
Jimboomba Camper Trailers Australia Pty Ltd.
www.jimboombacampertrailers.com.au (http://www.jimboombacampertrailers.com.au)
They have re-launched the product under new management and in a new manufacturing facility (5 Paul Court, Jimboomba). As part of the re-launch we have expanded the sale of the product to a number of Camper Trailer Dealerships;
AUSTYLE Camper and Trailers (Tony) 1/15 Logan River Road, Beenleigh QLD
Ozzie Campers (Tim) Cnr Charles and Madden St, Townsville QLD
We are currently seeking a dealer in the Northern NSW area (contact us for more details)
We would like to express our sincerest apologies to any customer or consumer that was affected by the collapse of 'It's All Good Off-Road', and reiterate that the individuals involved with 'It's All Good Off-Road' have absolutely no connection to the new directors or company.
how many threads do you need to post the exact same thing in?
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how many threads do you need to post the exact same thing in?
If I was in their position, I'd have posted it on every Forum and in every thread there had been any talk about the previous owners debacle.
Then I'd also have posted it everywhere it hadn't.
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If I was in their position, I'd have posted it on every Forum and in every thread there had been any talk about the previous owners debacle.
Then I'd also have posted it everywhere it hadn't.
damn straight ;D
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Thanks 'Ropes' - getting to WA is on the cards this year!
Thanks 'Jeeps'
'Lost' - we will continue to post this information in as many threads and forums as possible. We are trying to claw back the the exceptional reputation the name had before the former directors disgracefully dragged it through the mud.
The product is proven to be a winner in the market place and now under new management it will again score top marks against it's competitors.
Stayed tuned to our webpage for a new exciting model coming soon........