Post by: muzza01 on May 11, 2017, 05:41:16 AM
As always there is a big difference in prices between these systems from eBay and local retailers like Bunnings, Jaycar Harvey Norman etc.
What is worse is the terrible reviews on some of these supposedly more reputable brands.
I had a budget of about $500 in mind. After some advice and recommendations.
Post by: paceman on May 11, 2017, 06:17:07 AM
https://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/hd_security_cameras
fair bit of information in there...
Post by: trinityalyce on May 11, 2017, 09:53:32 AM
Post by: Bird on May 11, 2017, 10:02:35 AM
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on May 11, 2017, 11:09:03 AM
Cameras have to be good, and the newer Digital ones can be.
The older analogue cameras can be very expensive by comparison.
It can be a hassle getting to find the info in the system, and then getting it off and giving it to the coppers.
Then when the Coppers get it, it may not run on their system.
Lot of research needed.
Post by: muzza01 on May 11, 2017, 11:14:57 AM
mate of mine whose been doing security for many years says Swann gear is the Black and Gold of the security world.I believe that, more expensive and pretty crappy reviews.
Post by: Red Dog 4x4 on May 11, 2017, 11:48:17 AM
The biggest difference was in the cameras the ebay ones were crap and failed after about two years, I don't have the systems hooked up the internet for remote viewing, as you need a secure IP address, And the wife was worried about some one getting the user name and password and viewing it.
It recently came in handy when we had the mother in law saying she was doing some thing but doing the opposite, needless to say she isn't welcome in my home anymore.
Post by: Bird on May 11, 2017, 01:01:54 PM
Quote from: muzza01
I believe that, more expensive and pretty crappy reviews.If you want it to record + have remote access (is awesome) via mobile if you can afford it... and be viewable then you have to spend.. but if you want it just to put people off then anything will do.
Cheap Shit will get you the typical "have you seen this woman" kinda photos
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/11/17/2F47B1C600000578-3356410-image-m-2_1449855665550.jpg)
Post by: Red Dog 4x4 on May 11, 2017, 01:24:15 PM
(http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv359/Red_Dog_4x4/IMG_4318_zps4rhzlnkr.png) (http://s699.photobucket.com/user/Red_Dog_4x4/media/IMG_4318_zps4rhzlnkr.png.html)
Post by: briann532 on May 11, 2017, 06:38:24 PM
Brilliant stuff.
Post by: Swannie on May 11, 2017, 06:45:03 PM
Post by: peter01 on May 11, 2017, 07:00:17 PM
I'm fine I got a toy poodle:cup:
Post by: Spada on May 11, 2017, 07:35:58 PM
Post by: vern on May 11, 2017, 08:07:13 PM
If you want it to record + have remote access (is awesome) via mobile if you can afford it... and be viewable then you have to spend.. but if you want it just to put people off then anything will do.
Cheap Shit will get you the typical "have you seen this woman" kinda photos
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/11/17/2F47B1C600000578-3356410-image-m-2_1449855665550.jpg)
Ahhh swann systems do that, have installed quite a few. There really not that bad, very easy to use.
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Post by: nab on May 11, 2017, 09:35:06 PM
It recently came in handy when we had the mother in law saying she was doing some thing but doing the opposite, needless to say she isn't welcome in my home anymore.
Haha good work!!!!!
Post by: prodigyrf on May 11, 2017, 11:38:41 PM
Been researching it myself and first up if you're going to set up security cameras you want excellent vision night and day. Better to have a couple of seriously good cameras strategically placed to capture any intrusion on the property rather than a heap of cheap vision cameras because it's all data you've got to record and store. In that respect you only want the camera/s rolling when they're triggered rather than you trying to troll through hours of footage to retrieve a particular incident. Which leads you to recognise you really want to be alerted and watch the picture on your mobile should you be absent from the property so you can see what's going on. Welcome to internet connection and that means hard wired cameras with power over ethernet unless you want go climbing up and changing wifi camera batteries regularly. Short term gain for long term pain remember.
When I understood those basic points I realized you either do it properly first up or you don't do it at all and welcome to Hikvision solutions. Just be aware if you buy cheaper Chinese Hikvision cameras that have been converted to English you won't be able to upgrade their software as Hikvision protect their regional distributors nowadays. As the BIL would say- You wants to play you gots to pay.
PS: Whilst having cameras inside is cute for some I really want to know what's going on with the villains outside before they get in and the sooner the better. In my case and the way my house is setup I reckon one good pan tilt zoom (PTZ) camera from Hikvision will do the trick and I'm interested in using an older PC to manage it all rather than cough up for HV's excellent recorder solution.
Post by: speewa158 on May 12, 2017, 06:49:28 AM
mate of mine whose been doing security for many years says Swann gear is the Black and Gold of the security world.l have a Swann reversing camera that is supposed to turn on when lm in reverse . lt has a knack of picking up other cameras with in a range of 100M . That could be in a shop over the till , at the back door , where ever they are pointing . Then we play the game of " Wheres the Camera " good fun in traffic
:cheers:
Post by: D4D on May 12, 2017, 06:58:12 AM
Post by: prodigyrf on May 12, 2017, 09:38:31 AM
Then if you're like me your eyes glaze over with the DIY instructions- http://www.hikvision.com/UploadFile/File/201411149316114.pdf (http://www.hikvision.com/UploadFile/File/201411149316114.pdf)
So the very professional Hikvision PTZ camera is still sitting in the box while I toy with chucking it back on ebay and calling in the pros or forgetting the whole thing :-\
Post by: ATC on May 12, 2017, 10:00:54 AM
Hikvision is the go. Mate of mine has very clear shots from his Hikvision cameras of the f@#krs in caps and hoodies who burged his house. Cops said, they all hide their faces now so cameras are next to useless.
Put a camera approx 1 metre high aiming up to capture the faces, then when they look down you get a clear shot of the faces
Post by: prodigyrf on May 12, 2017, 10:23:00 AM
https://www.diysecuritycameras.com.au/ (https://www.diysecuritycameras.com.au/)
or you get a quote for turnkey installation locally.
Post by: Spada on May 13, 2017, 07:22:41 AM
I'm still working on getting mine set up for live view from the phone. It's there, I've just got to get the settings right.
If you serious, and choose not to go "cheep & cheerful", send a PM to Patroldude on here. He's in the game and gave me lots of good advice. (http://i65.tinypic.com/28i3og6.jpg)
Post by: muzza01 on May 13, 2017, 07:35:54 AM
Post by: Rumpig on May 13, 2017, 09:02:57 AM
Post by: gronk on May 13, 2017, 09:54:20 AM
The other side of the coin is what can you do with the footage after they have gone ? You can show it to the police......but will they even view it ? Is it admissable in a court of law ( been told no ).
Now an alarm with 120Db sirens and flashing lights and flood lights ( even inside ) will deter most....unless you are rural and it won't attract any attention.
I personally haven't got anything really worth pinching....the days of them leaving with a tellie under their arm are long gone.....it's cash, jewellery or tablets etc, so I don't have a system anymore.
Post by: DropBearRacing on May 13, 2017, 06:48:06 PM
The best bit about a camera system is you can see who is entering/stealing from your property.
The other side of the coin is what can you do with the footage after they have gone ? You can show it to the police......but will they even view it ? Is it admissable in a court of law ( been told no ).
Now an alarm with 120Db sirens and flashing lights and flood lights ( even inside ) will deter most....unless you are rural and it won't attract any attention.
I personally haven't got anything really worth pinching....the days of them leaving with a tellie under their arm are long gone.....it's cash, jewellery or tablets etc, so I don't have a system anymore.
Grieg if you tell the cops that you have footage they will look at it andtake a copy from you. It is admissible in court whoever told you that has no idea.
The problem is people want to spend as little as possible and expect miracles from their systems. Most businesses are the same. Unless you spend the money on good cameras then you will end up with Shit footage that isn't worth a pinch. The other thing is people don't think about their field of vision before installing the cameras.
Hikvision is one of the better systems out there. We have one of their systems installed at work. The CCTV installers I know use and recommend hikvision as well. You pay a bit more for them but you do get what you pay for.
Post by: gronk on May 13, 2017, 07:10:49 PM
Grieg if you tell the cops that you have footage they will look at it andtake a copy from you. It is admissible in court whoever told you that has no idea.
Good to hear mate !!
Still wouldn't get a system as I haven't got anything worth pinching !! ;D
Post by: briann532 on May 13, 2017, 08:15:41 PM
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/VLEAAOSw1DtXJTQY/s-l300.jpg)
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on May 13, 2017, 08:19:45 PM
Phenomenal idea. Don't think too many would be happy about it though.
Post by: trinityalyce on May 16, 2017, 02:23:10 PM
I have considered getting one of these signs until we set up some kind of camera system. ;D
Jokes aside, I do prefer cameras (preferably with some kind of internet connected phone alert when triggered) to alarm systems. For those with alarm systems, do you *really* think that they make people stop and look? How many times do you hear a car alarm go off and everyone just keeps going about their daily business? You may be lucky IF you have awesomely attentive and caring neighbours home, but honestly unless they are a back-to-base monitored system its probably not as great as you're hoping. :( At least if the camera alert goes off *I* can personally do something about it. Whereas with noisy alarms (that aren't back-to-base) I'm relying on the goodness of strangers or on the crims getting spooked.
My internet security cynicism for now is stopping me getting an internet connected camera system. Don't want the thugs using my camera system to spy on me to find out when my place is unoccupied - they can do that the old fashioned way sitting over the street in a black nondescript car if they really feel the need!
Post by: xcvator on May 16, 2017, 02:38:02 PM
I'm fine I got a poodle toyFixed for you :cup:
Post by: Rumpig on May 16, 2017, 04:26:02 PM
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2i27urc.jpg)my alarm rings a few numbers when it goes off, mine included. It has stopped someone breaking in, this I know for a fact...alarm went off whilst I was at work and rang my phone, I was working 10 minutes from home. Raced home to find an open window but nobody about and nothing missing...i a sked my neighbour who walked outside if they saw anyone about and he gave me a brief description of a guy. Train station is 5 minutes walk away so I raced down there and found someone matching said description. Not 100% sure it was him so I ring my neighbour to get a better match on exactly what he was wearing, junkie looking scum hears me talking on my phone and comes over to ask me what's up. My neighbour advises not to do anything silly with all the cameras about on the station, to which I reply no worries I'll call the cops. I had my back turned on this guy for 5 seconds and in that time he'd legged it for his life jumping off the end of the train platform making a break for it. He ended up getting away in the end, cops arrived 10 minutes later and also couldn't find him. Cops weren't interested in train platform video footage to find this guy, so can't imagine they get overly excited at home videos either.
I have considered getting one of these signs until we set up some kind of camera system. ;D
Jokes aside, I do prefer cameras (preferably with some kind of internet connected phone alert when triggered) to alarm systems. For those with alarm systems, do you *really* think that they make people stop and look? How many times do you hear a car alarm go off and everyone just keeps going about their daily business? You may be lucky IF you have awesomely attentive and caring neighbours home, but honestly unless they are a back-to-base monitored system its probably not as great as you're hoping. :( At least if the camera alert goes off *I* can personally do something about it. Whereas with noisy alarms (that aren't back-to-base) I'm relying on the goodness of strangers or on the crims getting spooked.
My internet security cynicism for now is stopping me getting an internet connected camera system. Don't want the thugs using my camera system to spy on me to find out when my place is unoccupied - they can do that the old fashioned way sitting over the street in a black nondescript car if they really feel the need!
Post by: Spada on May 16, 2017, 04:37:06 PM
unless they are a back-to-base monitored system its probably not as great as you're hoping. :( At least if the camera alert goes off *I* can personally do something about it. Whereas with noisy alarms (that aren't back-to-base) I'm relying on the goodness of strangers or on the crims getting spooked.
Was chatting to a copper recently abut that. He said best deterrent was a noisy alarm that went off on entry..............nice and loud he said. That scares most of them off straight away. He said "back to base" was a waste of money because by the time it registered, and they responded, offenders are long gone.
Camera system was second choice, won't stop them unless it's visible and obvious..........and not easily tampered with. Make sure the HD is secured / hidden so they don't steal that to remove the evidence.
Having inside pets, a motion sensor alarm was not viable, and retrofitting reed switches was not practical, so it was a tamper resistant camera system for us. ll points of property and building access covered, all camera's visible, but out of reach, and HD secured and hidden.
Post by: Moggy on May 26, 2017, 02:44:56 PM
seemed a good deal at the time
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Post by: Moggy on June 18, 2017, 07:26:37 PM
I will say that i was surprised how easy it was to get remote viewing on phone & tablet, it was really easy to setup when viewing over the home wifi, but even to view over the phone was relatively simple, actually for me to do inside half an hour shows how really simple it was.
I havent actually worked out the recording & playback side, but have it set on motion record ( i think)
So for those who where also considering cameras I would give these a thumbs up.
I paid $650, but did a interweb search & somewhere had them for under $500, so at that price pretty good imo
Edit:
There is a capability for having an intergrated alarm system, but that would be well & truely above my pay grade ;D
Post by: glenm64 on June 18, 2017, 07:39:37 PM
Well I got round to setting up the system & i have to say it was fairly simple, though camera locations added to the drama, but all in all happy with the outcome.
I will say that i was surprised how easy it was to get remote viewing on phone & tablet, it was really easy to setup when viewing over the home wifi, but even to view over the phone was relatively simple, actually for me to do inside half an hour shows how really simple it was.
I havent actually worked out the recording & playback side, but have it set on motion record ( i think)
So for those who where also considering cameras I would give these a thumbs up.
I paid $650, but did a interweb search & somewhere had them for under $500, so at that price pretty good imo
Edit:
There is a capability for having an intergrated alarm system, but that would be well & truely above my pay grade ;D
Moggy
whats the picture quality like??
Post by: Moggy on June 18, 2017, 07:55:25 PM
This is one of the front & might add that there is no light on at the front, so the "light" is the infra-red I assume.
It does have a digital zoom & on the phone app you can actually record & take a picture.
At the end of the day I hope I never have to utilise it
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Post by: prodigyrf on June 18, 2017, 08:55:26 PM
but presumably with one of their systems you can logon and enjoy videos and help forums as a user here- http://nesscorporation.com/ (http://nesscorporation.com/)
Have you setup mobile phone access via the Android or IOS app and can you manipulate the turret cameras?
As for the night footage it's pretty good for no light source but that's where the various Hikvision cameras have different infrared ranges and pricing I guess.
A good price here- http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/122539766264 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/122539766264)
Post by: Bird on June 19, 2017, 11:23:07 AM
Quote from: DropBearRacing
The problem is people want to spend as little as possible and expect miracles from their systems. Most businesses are the same. Unless you spend the money on good cameras then you will end up with Shit footage that isn't worth a pinch. The other thing is people don't think about their field of vision before installing the cameras.
Hikvision is one of the better systems out there. We have one of their systems installed at work. The CCTV installers I know use and recommend hikvision as well. You pay a bit more for them but you do get what you pay for.
Mate who works in security nods to all of that... or you end up with
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Quote from: Moggy
It's reasonable without being super
This is one of the front & might add that there is no light on at the front, so the "light" is the infra-red I assume.
It does have a digital zoom & on the phone app you can actually record & take a picture.
I reckon that's pretty good.. now fit up a sensor light! Mate uses the app all the time to monitor clients and his house while away on trips.