Post by: Julian Kaye on December 31, 2017, 10:42:16 AM
Me: What's your tyre pressure?
Him: Half
Me: Half of what?
Him: 50
Me: You've got 25 psi? Put the down to 15 and you will drive out
Him: My mate told me you'll spin the tyre off the rim if you do that
Me: Your mate is wrong
At this point I convinced him to put his tyres down to 15 and use my Maxtrax. He got out.
Came across a scene of vehicular and emotional carnage. Scene like this, guy in a Jeep Patriot ( yes that's correct) bogged to the wheel arches. Went to help out with the Maxtrax but was told we weren't needed. Now it got interesting. Guy backs up with his Prado and a snatch strap but he got bogged too, guy then backs up in his Patrol and snatches the Prado, takes the snatch strap off, reverses around the Prado and proceeds to rip the rear bumper off the Prado and turn the side of his Patrol into copper art. The guy in the Patriot suddenly decided he needs our Maxtrax and shovel.
It took me three goes at trying to convince another guy that bad things can happen when you try and use a snatch strap off a tow ball.
There is a serious side to all this. People are going onto the island in badly prepared vehicles with little or no recovery equipment. Even worse people have equipment but don't know how to use it.
A couple of points worth noting. People still reach for the snatch strap first. I found That Maxtrax are better and safer (if a bit slower) for retrieving a single vehicle, not so good if the vehicle is towing. Snatch straps are still very good but are much better when used with an equaliser strap, unfortunately most people have never heard of them.
One final scene, driving off the island at Inskip Point there was a guy in a 100 series Landcruiser towing a dual axle Jayco Expander Outback heading to the barge, he made it about 20 metres onto the beach before he sank the wheels. Where is the advice from authorities that this is not a good idea?
Post by: Bird on December 31, 2017, 10:52:31 AM
Post by: edz on December 31, 2017, 11:22:56 AM
Cant get much clearer than this.. People just need to read things for a change ..
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What sort of vehicle is suitable for Fraser Island?
Only high clearance 4WD vehicles are suitable for Fraser Island's sandy forest tracks and beaches. Drivers of all-wheel-drive and four-wheel-drive vehicles with low ground clearance may find beach access points and inland tracks impassable.
Only off-road trailers are recommended. Drivers should ensure their vehicle is capable of towing trailers in deep soft sand, as the articulation function becomes hampered or worse, jams, when the coupling cannot adjust to the different levels or turns encountered when driving on Fraser Island.
Vehicles that get stuck in soft sand or boggy beach conditions can hold up traffic for hours. Be self-sufficient with vehicle recovery gear. Be prepared and able to get yourself out of bogged situations. QPWS Rangers, if nearby, can offer some assistance, but they cannot pull you free due to the risk involved with the use of 'snatch straps' and towing equipment.
Why are caravans and low clearance trailers not recommended?
Beach access tracks are heavily used and contain long stretches of deep loose sand. Vehicles towing caravans or low clearance trailers can get stuck (bogged) and it can take hours to clear the track for other traffic. In some instances a vehicle recovery service must be called in, often holding up traffic for up to 12 hours. Vehicles have been badly damaged during recovery or 'swamped' on the rising tide.
Post by: whoohoo on December 31, 2017, 11:28:22 AM
Post by: GBC on December 31, 2017, 11:35:15 AM
Post by: Bird on December 31, 2017, 11:41:10 AM
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Only mad dogs and Englishmen go to the island at Christmas and Easter.
calling BD.. ;D
Post by: Julian Kaye on December 31, 2017, 12:49:52 PM
:worthles: :worthles: :worthles: :worthles: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:
Bit hard to take happy snaps with a shovel in your hand
Post by: SEADOO on December 31, 2017, 01:04:39 PM
The place is a dick head magnet during the idiot season. Best time to go is during the off peak seasons as all the idiots are at work.
Bribe is the same too these days.
Post by: DrewXT on December 31, 2017, 01:15:08 PM
About 95% of people's issues are related to tyre pressures, the other 5% is because they are too heavy on the right foot, driving like they're in a 4WD Action DVD, or simply haven't got a clue.
Sadly, there's not enough encouragement in the 4WD Clubs to get members to do a basic proficiency course, we are currently training 4 trainers in our Club, and actively encourage every member and their partner to do a proficiency course as a minimum.
The biggest issue I believe is that a large majority of people who own a 4WD think that because they could afford it they automatically known how to drive under any conditions.
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Post by: SEADOO on December 31, 2017, 01:27:13 PM
They are alway run by the "self appointed" expert and there is always a cost.
Most are not accredited or a Registered Trainng Organisation (RTO). So the trading you receive isn't worth anything.
You are better off giving the clubs a miss and attend a registered and certified off road course.
Post by: DrewXT on December 31, 2017, 01:55:23 PM
4wd club "training courses" are not worth the time and effort.We will be shortly running accredited courses for our members.
They are alway run by the "self appointed" expert and there is always a cost.
Most are not accredited or a Registered Trainng Organisation (RTO). So the trading you receive isn't worth anything.
You are better off giving the clubs a miss and attend a registered and certified off road course.
No self appointed experts.
4wd Victoria are very keen on Clubs running accredited courses with qualified trainers.
Until now, we've used the 4WD Victoria trainers and facilities as we haven't had our own trainers...
It differs between states and Clubs of course
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Post by: Pottsy on December 31, 2017, 02:06:01 PM
Thursday night session was theory, Saturday was practical, all day on a private property.
10 vehicles only, 2 drivers per vehicle.
Covered, sand, mud, water crossing, rocky ground, washouts, steep descents and ascents, recoveries etc.
Best thing the wife has done, she loves 4wd now as she has a far better understanding of what our vehicle is capable of doing.
We were lucky the day we did it as their were 10 different 4wds so we got to see a great cross section of vehicles right thru from our old Pathfinder up to the latest 200 series cruiser. ;D
Post by: topcat on December 31, 2017, 02:12:09 PM
Later I saw a tilt tray making its way down one of the inland tracks - wonder if it was for him.
While he may have been a newbie, in this day of information, ignorance is a choice.
TC
Post by: Rumpig on December 31, 2017, 02:24:20 PM
4wd club "training courses" are not worth the time and effort.the club I used to be in had an accredited trainer and many others do also, anyone that did the course at my old club attained accreditation for doing so. It was a 2 day course held at a 4wd park
They are alway run by the "self appointed" expert and there is always a cost.
Most are not accredited or a Registered Trainng Organisation (RTO). So the trading you receive isn't worth anything.
You are better off giving the clubs a miss and attend a registered and certified off road course.
Post by: Foo on December 31, 2017, 02:48:17 PM
Pretty sure at all the QPWS Booking centers and web sites, its stated that towing caravans onto Fraser isnt advised ..
Cant get much clearer than this.. People just need to read things for a change ..
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Only off-road trailers are recommended. Drivers should ensure their vehicle is capable of towing trailers in deep soft sand, as the articulation function becomes hampered or worse, jams, when the coupling cannot adjust to the different levels or turns encountered when driving on Fraser Island.
But they say this for all places where you may need to use ya bloody brains a bit. First trip out to Sundown National Park, they told us towing trailers in was not advisable but we went in with all the gear loaded up and dropped pressures before the slippery shale climbs and walked them first to pick our lines and all was good. Just saying that they are covering their arses against stupidity. :angel:
Foo
Post by: gronk on December 31, 2017, 02:49:39 PM
the club I used to be in had an accredited trainer and many others do also, anyone that did the course at my old club attained accreditation for doing so. It was a 2 day course held at a 4wd park
I don't think an accreditation HAS to be attained for a lot of newbies.......just doing a 4wd course to get an understanding of your vehicle and recovery techniques is more important.
I'm no "expert", but I'm sure I could show some newbies some stuff that was certainly better than nothing..
Post by: DrewXT on December 31, 2017, 02:54:34 PM
https://www.facebook.com/igotboggedatinskippoint/videos/1333769193395440/
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Post by: MDS69 on December 31, 2017, 03:05:04 PM
This is timely...
https://www.facebook.com/igotboggedatinskippoint/videos/1333769193395440/ (https://www.facebook.com/igotboggedatinskippoint/videos/1333769193395440/)
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Jesus.
WTF was the guy in the dual cab doing there in the first place.
Post by: MDS69 on December 31, 2017, 03:12:11 PM
I understand you will still get the ones who will disregard this sort of info but surely it will stick with some users.
Post by: marvellous_matt on December 31, 2017, 03:15:54 PM
This is timely...Just lucky the damage is to vehicle and pride, and no one is wearing the bullbar.
https://www.facebook.com/igotboggedatinskippoint/videos/1333769193395440/ (https://www.facebook.com/igotboggedatinskippoint/videos/1333769193395440/)
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Post by: Symon on December 31, 2017, 03:19:09 PM
The amount of morons I've found on Fraser is unreal, the moron hotspots I've found is the u-turn at the top of the hill behind Waddy point campground, and the south Ngkala rocks bypass. We now time our travel at the bottom of low tide so we can avoid those two spots.
The one and only time I have been bogged on Fraser was a time I needed to take evasive action to avoid a collision with a moron flying around a blind corner. I had the camper on and the sand was too soft to get going again. I decided to winch myself out rather than accept the assistance of the nearby 'experts'.
Post by: DrewXT on December 31, 2017, 03:19:54 PM
Just lucky the damage is to vehicle and pride, and no one is wearing the bullbar.So many wrong things in that video.
No damper, too much speed from the Patrol, attached to the wrong point - the lower control arm mounts are so much better without recovery points, just lucky there were no closer observers, although it looked like the Delica was within range of the bulbar whipping around
Jesus.Probably had to drive through the puddle... I don't get driving through water unless you have to, it has the potential to cause so much damage
WTF was the guy in the dual cab doing there in the first place.
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Post by: Rumpig on December 31, 2017, 03:51:56 PM
I don't think an accreditation HAS to be attained for a lot of newbies.......just doing a 4wd course to get an understanding of your vehicle and recovery techniques is more important.the club I was in it was a requirement to do the course to stay a member, it just happened to be the course was accredited at the same time. I agree some training is better then nothing, but from a club liability stand point these days, it's probably better the clubs trainer be an accredited trainer, rather then someone who might be just as knowledgeable but not have the qualifications.
I'm no "expert", but I'm sure I could show some newbies some stuff that was certainly better than nothing..
Post by: Hookie on December 31, 2017, 03:52:16 PM
in this day of information, ignorance is a choice.
Consider this line stolen, because it's 100% true! I was brand new to off roading just a couple of years ago, but thanks to the internet and (I like to think) a healthy dose of common sense, I've never been in trouble. Helped out plenty of others who were though.
I can't fathom the mentality that takes a 4WD vehicle to a place like Fraser Island without doing even a little bit of research. If not because you're afraid of losing your very expensive vehicle, then how about just so you don't look like a clueless idiot?
Post by: gordo350 on December 31, 2017, 04:07:59 PM
Post by: rossm on December 31, 2017, 04:08:09 PM
Consider this line stolen, because it's 100% true! I was brand new to off roading just a couple of years ago, but thanks to the internet and (I like to think) a healthy dose of common sense, I've never been in trouble. Helped out plenty of others who were though.
I can't fathom the mentality that takes a 4WD vehicle to a place like Fraser Island without doing even a little bit of research. If not because you're afraid of losing your very expensive vehicle, then how about just so you don't look like a clueless idiot?
I can't help wondering about the influence of the 4WD advertorials on TV and the various magazines (also mostly advertorial from what I see.)
Most of the programs I have seen are all about how much fun off-road travel is and what you need to do it with much less emphasis on some of the pitfalls.
People look and think "yeah I can do that" and off they go.
It staggers me that people still get bogged on a beach because they won't let tyres down, often because they don't want to buy a compressor.
They will spend tens of thousands on cars and trailers and camping gear and some more on a holiday but baulk at a couple of hundred bucks for a compressor because they might only need it once or twice a year.
Post by: gordo350 on December 31, 2017, 04:10:05 PM
Post by: Coolblue80 on December 31, 2017, 05:31:02 PM
Cheers, Mike.
Post by: BBull on December 31, 2017, 06:12:19 PM
You are bolting a rated piece of equipment onto an unrated piece of metal. Not saying a factory tie down point are any good but on the 200 series I have winched, snatched, double and triple winched off the standard tow points. I believe that they are good enough for anything I will ever do. I did replace the standard bolts with grade 8 bolts but at the end of the day the part it bolts into is not rated and car manufacturers will never rate them.
Obviously a tie down point is just that but some are definitely strong enough to use.
Also no one actually knows how much weight they are pulling out due to different situations as in being stuck on the chassis or suction from mud.
Every winch and snatch will always be a risky event no matter how good your equipment is
Post by: rossm on December 31, 2017, 06:28:32 PM
There was a death in the Kimberley a few years ago when a bull bar came off when a car was being snatched and struck a child standing nearby.
On an environmental project I was volunteering on out east of Wiluna a few years ago a ute stuck in the mud after rain (by me) was pulled out with a chain.
The explanation from the WA Parks and Wildlife guy in charge was that snatch straps had been banned on account of they were too dangerous.
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on December 31, 2017, 06:51:23 PM
Rated tow points may or may not be the bees knees but they gotta be better than the bull bar.
There was a death in the Kimberley a few years ago when a bull bar came off when a car was being snatched and struck a child standing nearby.
On an environmental project I was volunteering on out east of Wiluna a few years ago a ute stuck in the mud after rain (by me) was pulled out with a chain.
The explanation from the WA Parks and Wildlife guy in charge was that snatch straps had been banned on account of they were too dangerous.
It also teaches the slow learners, that you should do the job slowly.
Post by: Bird on December 31, 2017, 07:02:54 PM
Quote from: SEADOO
4wd club "training courses" are not worth the time and effort.Funny, all the courses I've been involved in while doing my accreditation the people always come out of it with high praise, and things like
'I never knew my car could do that'
'I never knew I could do that'
'I'd never have had the confidence to go through those areas..."
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They are alway run by the "self appointed" expertthe clubs you looked at much really suck. but I don't know any Victorian club that has 'self appointed' experts. Having said that, not all clubs currently have trainers.
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and there is always a cost.None of the 4 clubs I've been in have charged for driver training.
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Most are not accredited or a Registered Trainng Organisation (RTO). So the trading you receive isn't worth anything.Really?
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You are better off giving the clubs a miss and attend a registered and certified off road course.You seen what they charge? Even 4wd Victoria courses are expensive..
Clubs are always worth it for the training, but some clubs politics take over and destroy the life of the club.
Post by: BBull on December 31, 2017, 07:04:01 PM
Rated tow points may or may not be the bees knees but they gotta be better than the bull bar.I agree but aren’t bull bars bolted to the chassis usually around the same place as a tow point.
There was a death in the Kimberley a few years ago when a bull bar came off when a car was being snatched and struck a child standing nearby.
On an environmental project I was volunteering on out east of Wiluna a few years ago a ute stuck in the mud after rain (by me) was pulled out with a chain.
The explanation from the WA Parks and Wildlife guy in charge was that snatch straps had been banned on account of they were too dangerous.
This is my point. The chassis is never beefed up or rated in any way.
If it was the bull at would have bent and twisted instead of being ripped off.
Plus don’t some bull ads have tow points on them.
Post by: Bird on December 31, 2017, 07:08:58 PM
Quote from: BBull
I agree but aren’t bull bars bolted to the chassis usually around the same place as a tow point.
This is my point. The chassis is never beefed up or rated in any way.
One thing - there was a 4wd place few years ago fitting bullbars without using High Tensile bolts. I don't believe anything deadly came of it thank ****.. but something everyone should check
Post by: gordo350 on December 31, 2017, 07:10:52 PM
Post by: rossm on December 31, 2017, 07:18:04 PM
I agree but aren’t bull bars bolted to the chassis usually around the same place as a tow point.
This is my point. The chassis is never beefed up or rated in any way.
If it was the bull at would have bent and twisted instead of being ripped off.
Plus don’t some bull ads have tow points on them.
Nothing is perfect I guess. Life is about compromises but you should not compromise on safety.
I have seen video of bull bars being torn off and read reports of it happening.
I have seen video of tow balls shearing off and read reports of it happening.
I have not seen video of a rated recovery point breaking off or read of it happening.
Happy to be corrected but until then I will use the recovery points on my car if I need to be snatched.
Post by: Symon on December 31, 2017, 08:18:09 PM
Nothing is perfect I guess. Life is about compromises but you should not compromise on safety.
I have seen video of bull bars being torn off and read reports of it happening.
I have seen video of tow balls shearing off and read reports of it happening.
I have not seen video of a rated recovery point breaking off or read of it happening.
Happy to be corrected but until then I will use the recovery points on my car if I need to be snatched.
It depends totally on the bull bar design and how it is attached. My bar is held on with 8 x 12mm 8.8 grade bolts. The rated recovery point is held on with 4 x 12mm 8.8 bolts. Some of the hook type recovery points only use two bolts.
I have snatched and winched off my bull bar many times, but I also don't act like an idiot when doing so.
Post by: Rumpig on December 31, 2017, 09:34:45 PM
Yeah. The tjm bar has rated points. As you say they are only bolted to the chassis but you've gotta hope that they put some engineering in before the put their name on the rated capacity. Not that i know what the capacity is. Not stamped anywhereit's usually on the sticker that comes on the bar, 8000kg is what it's rating should be.
Post by: BBull on December 31, 2017, 09:42:22 PM
Yeah. The tjm bar has rated points. As you say they are only bolted to the chassis but you've gotta hope that they put some engineering in before the put their name on the rated capacity. Not that i know what the capacity is. Not stamped anywhereThat’s correct the points are rated but is the other side rated where it connects to the chassis
Post by: Rumpig on December 31, 2017, 10:20:34 PM
That’s correct the points are rated but is the other side rated where it connects to the chassisthe rating of the bar is in conjunction of it's fitment to the chassis, not just the bar standing alone...vehicle manufacturers don't rate the vehicle chassis, bullbar manufactures have to rate the bar inclusive of the chassis as fitted to the particular vehicle.
Post by: DrewXT on December 31, 2017, 10:48:17 PM
the rating of the bar is in conjunction of it's fitment to the chassis, not just the bar standing alone...vehicle manufacturers don't rate the vehicle chassis, bullbar manufactures have to rate the bar inclusive of the chassis as fitted to the particular vehicle.
Correct.
As a real life example, we designed and now manufacture recovery points for the Amarok here in Melbourne, and before we released then, we tested them to the WLL we wanted to sell them at, twice the WLL, three times and then to destruction.
The test was performed on the section of chassis rail (yes, we bought a chassis expressly for performing this test) that each recovery point bolts to.
The recovery points then underwent an engineering assessment before we tested on our own vehicles and then went into production.
It's worth noting also that most recovery points are only rated when used with a bridle attached to both recovery points, to ensure the chassis doesn't get shock loaded on one side, which can lead to permanent, irreparable chassis damage
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Post by: Hookie on January 01, 2018, 06:21:19 AM
Post by: GBC on January 01, 2018, 06:31:14 AM
Post by: Hookie on January 01, 2018, 06:36:50 AM
I never understand why people drive to ‘help’ a winch in sand. 9 times out of 10 an undriven tyre will pop up and out. Keep the wheels turning and they will just keep digging.
It's amazing how many people will dig themselves into a far bigger mess than they need to be in because they put their foot down harder. I carry maxtrax and a shovel everywhere, as well as snatch strap and winch, and I've never used them on myself because the instant the car stops moving I stop, try once backwards, and if that doesn't work I dump some more air out. So far every time I've been stuck in sand that's been all I need. If you're not moving forward or backward, more revs is the last thing you need.
Post by: tennismark on January 01, 2018, 06:49:21 AM
where did you camp for those 12 days on the island? is there somewhere you'd recommend? Planning on a similar time span in Feb.....
Cheers.
Post by: Bird on January 01, 2018, 10:33:26 AM
Quote from: Hookie
I can never understand why I see vehicles with winches using snatch straps to get unstuck.Cause a snatch recovery is quicker and easier to setup ???
Post by: edz on January 01, 2018, 10:38:29 AM
On a side note.......Hit the search button ^^^^ Will be your friend [ Zones 5 and 6 ] will be good and central to everything . Feb should almost see the Island as a ghost town other than Back packers
where did you camp for those 12 days on the island? is there somewhere you'd recommend? Planning on a similar time span in Feb.....
Cheers.
Post by: BaseCamp on January 01, 2018, 11:25:10 AM
When transversing through these types of tracks I will often have one hand on the wheel; and my left hand on the handbrake with my thumb pressing in the chrome button, (off)...
Any gains I am making in the above environmental conditions (both driving forward or in reverse), I can quickly lock in using the handbrake..
Also if I feel like I'm starting to slide sideways a bit - on with the handbrake immediately....
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Post by: GBC on January 01, 2018, 11:41:44 AM
Something I've learnt to do in loose, gravelly, or unbalanced/rocky 4wding situations, and even in boggy ones - is to make use of my handbrake.... (not the misses) but the thing between me 2 front seats....
When transversing through these types of tracks I will often have one hand on the wheel; and my left hand on the handbrake with my thumb pressing in the chrome button, (off)...
Any gains I am making in the above environmental conditions (both driving forward or in reverse), I can quickly lock in using the handbrake..
Also if I feel like I'm starting to slide sideways a bit - on with the handbrake immediately....
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Toyota drivers all over the country are scratching their heads now.
Post by: Symon on January 01, 2018, 11:53:04 AM
Toyota drivers all over the country are scratching their heads now.
What is this handbrake you speak of?
Post by: GBC on January 01, 2018, 12:00:13 PM
What is this handbrake you speak of?Just this morning I had to explain to my wife why the neighbour ‘rudely’ parks his 100 series facing the wrong way with the front wheels turned up the kerb. I’ll bet it’s in low range too.
Post by: MDS69 on January 01, 2018, 03:12:47 PM
Toyota drivers all over the country are scratching their heads now.
Yes I forgot to tick that box when I bought out Prado.
Post by: Julian Kaye on January 01, 2018, 05:48:16 PM
On a side note.......
where did you camp for those 12 days on the island? is there somewhere you'd recommend? Planning on a similar time span in Feb.....
Cheers.
Waddy Point Camp Ground, the top one off the beach. One of only two places you can have a camp fire. Really good toilets and showers and large shady sites. The only downside is that it's a fair way up the island and you have some tracks and soft sand to negotiate which can be a bummer if you are towing.
Post by: gronk on January 01, 2018, 07:21:14 PM
Waddy Point Camp Ground, the top one off the beach. One of only two places you can have a camp fire. Really good toilets and showers and large shady sites. The only downside is that it's a fair way up the island and you have some tracks and soft sand to negotiate which can be a bummer if you are towing.
Not sure where the other camp ground with fires allowed is, but Dili Village allows campfires....has power if needed, good showers and nice grass, as well as fully fenced.
Post by: Symon on January 01, 2018, 07:30:46 PM
Just this morning I had to explain to my wife why the neighbour ‘rudely’ parks his 100 series facing the wrong way with the front wheels turned up the kerb. I’ll bet it’s in low range too.
I carry a wheel chock, there are some inclines where even when in low range the clutch does slip a bit.
Waddy Point Camp Ground, the top one off the beach. One of only two places you can have a camp fire. Really good toilets and showers and large shady sites. The only downside is that it's a fair way up the island and you have some tracks and soft sand to negotiate which can be a bummer if you are towing.
At low tide you can drive a bit further to the Orchid Beach access and then drive up the beach to Waddy Point camp ground. This way you avoid that U-turn at the top of the hill where the soft sand is and where morons tend to congregate.
Not sure where the other camp ground with fires allowed is, but Dili Village allows campfires....has power if needed, good showers and nice grass, as well as fully fenced.
Waddy Point Top campground allows fires.
Post by: GBC on January 02, 2018, 06:07:46 AM
I carry a wheel chock, there are some inclines where even when in low range the clutch does slip a bit.
At low tide you can drive a bit further to the Orchid Beach access and then drive up the beach to Waddy Point camp ground. This way you avoid that U-turn at the top of the hill where the soft sand is and where morons tend to congregate.
Waddy Point Top campground allows fires.
When I had Toyotas I carried a chock for boat ramps. I see one went in at tin can bay just last week. Dundaburra is the other parks site with fire rings. As far as I know Dilli village is still under private lease. You can have fires anywhere under lease - 2nd valley eurong, orchid, happy valley, dilli etc so long as there isn’t a high fire danger.
Post by: doc evil on January 02, 2018, 06:45:13 AM
4wd club "training courses" are not worth the time and effort.
They are alway run by the "self appointed" expert and there is always a cost.
Most are not accredited or a Registered Trainng Organisation (RTO). So the trading you receive isn't worth anything.
You are better off giving the clubs a miss and attend a registered and certified off road course.
Funny, all the courses I've been involved in while doing my accreditation the people always come out of it with high praise, and things like
'I never knew my car could do that'
'I never knew I could do that'
'I'd never have had the confidence to go through those areas..."
the clubs you looked at much really suck. but I don't know any Victorian club that has 'self appointed' experts. Having said that, not all clubs currently have trainers.
None of the 4 clubs I've been in have charged for driver training.
Really?
You seen what they charge? Even 4wd Victoria courses are expensive..
Clubs are always worth it for the training, but some clubs politics take over and destroy the life of the club.
Gotta agree with the Birdism.......... :o :o :P
Think you'll find as a directive from the National council (governing body of the state associations and thus all association clubs) that ALL trainers have to be Cert4 accredited. (I do know that is the case in WA).
Also to note Seadoo, there are numerous clubs which are NOT within the association banner and therefore "do as they please".
Post by: Pete79 on January 02, 2018, 08:45:48 AM
Also to note Seadoo, there are numerous clubs which are NOT within the association banner and therefore "do as they please".
Don’t you mean there are a handful of clubs STILL in the association?? ;)
Been a mass exodus from QLD and NSW associations over the last few years. 4WD QLD only has a couple of clubs left.
With regards to the driver training. Any training is better then none in my view.
If it’s from an accredited trainer, a “self appointed expert” or just a friend who has a lot of experience, as long as someone can give correct guidance on the basic safety and procedures it’s better then finding out the hard way.
I have attended several training days run by “self appointed experts” and I guarantee all of the novices that came along on these gained extremely valuable knowledge and now have a much greater understanding of the basics to keep them selves and everyone around them out of trouble.
I say if a responsible experienced person is prepared to impart some of their knowledge onto others with absolutely no idea and help save one potentially dangerous situation, that’s a good thing.
If you believe you need to fork out for a full blown 2 day accredited course before you can hit the tracks that’s fine too.
Any knowledge is good knowledge when it comes to safe 4wding.
Post by: gordo350 on January 02, 2018, 09:00:22 AM
Post by: glenm64 on January 02, 2018, 09:23:01 AM
I get alot of training from Russell CoightLove Big Crack Productions.
Cheers Glen
Post by: Fizzie on January 02, 2018, 09:32:09 AM
Post by: Bird on January 02, 2018, 09:43:44 AM
Quote from: Fizzie
Did anybody ever hear any more about his new Series that was supposed to be on TV in 2017 ???
They realized it wasn't a poorly named so called renovation "show" or a cooking "show" that are only popularity contests.. so it got shelved.
Post by: gronk on January 02, 2018, 09:50:50 AM
They realized it wasn't a poorly named so called renovation "show" or a cooking "show" that are only popularity contests.. so it got shelved.
Would it be Coightis interuptus ??
Or shelved for good ?? ;D ;D
Post by: MrCruza on January 02, 2018, 10:01:09 AM
Don’t you mean there are a handful of clubs STILL in the association?? ;)
Been a mass exodus from QLD and NSW associations over the last few years. 4WD QLD only has a couple of clubs left.
Really? Our club (Mitsubishi 4WD Owners Club QLD) recently ran the annual 4WD QLD Corroboree which involved some 20 clubs and around 600 people.
Still a VERY healthy association..
All our club members do a driving course, either with the club's accredited trainers or with an equivalent organisation. You must do that to be able to participate in club trips and be covered by our insurance.
Post by: Rumpig on January 02, 2018, 10:05:43 AM
Really? Our club (Mitsubishi 4WD Owners Club QLD) recently ran the annual 4WD QLD Corroboree which involved some 20 clubs and around 600 people.were all the clubs that attended actually still in the association?...i know several people that attended the Corroborree from my old club under that clubs banner, and that club is no longer in the association. Maybe they were at the time of the event (as i said I'm not in the club these days to know), but I do know the club has left the association.
Still a VERY healthy association..
All our club members do a driving course, either with the club's accredited trainers or with an equivalent organisation. You must do that to be able to participate in club trips and be covered by our insurance.
Post by: Pete79 on January 02, 2018, 10:10:47 AM
And the 10 or so the pulled the pin at the end of the last financial year.
I think 4WD QLD has been taking financial advise from Russell Coight lately... ;) ;D
Post by: MrCruza on January 02, 2018, 10:19:20 AM
were all the clubs that attended actually still in the association?...
They would have to have been at the time of the event.
Post by: Bird on January 02, 2018, 10:22:29 AM
Quote from: gronk
Would it be Coightis interuptus ??
Or shelved for good ?? ;D ;D
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Post by: Charlie Brown on January 02, 2018, 10:58:56 AM
Our club (Mitsubishi 4WD Owners Club QLD) recently ran the annual .........
Gee, the Mitsie club must be desperate for members if they accept Toyota owners ;D
Post by: MrCruza on January 02, 2018, 11:29:40 AM
Gee, the Mitsie club must be desperate for members if they accept Toyota owners ;D
Haha.. Most clubs have a mix of makes. :cheers:
Post by: rossm on January 02, 2018, 12:29:05 PM
If people don't have access to professional training the very least they could do is spend an hour or two on YouTube. There they will find any number of professionally produced videos on recovery techniques.
I am sure some people will take issue with some fine details in individual videos but all those I have seen are basically in tune with the professional training I have had.
And even more that show how it should not be done.
This one caught my eye, particularly for the carry on after the recovery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnCcchwj4_k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnCcchwj4_k)
Post by: doc evil on January 02, 2018, 12:47:48 PM
Really? Our club (Mitsubishi 4WD Owners Club QLD) recently ran the annual 4WD QLD Corroboree which involved some 20 clubs and around 600 people.
Still a VERY healthy association..
All our club members do a driving course, either with the club's accredited trainers or with an equivalent organisation. You must do that to be able to participate in club trips and be covered by our insurance.
Gawd, this is gonna hurt..............but I agree with Mr Cruza :o :o there, I said it........
Fraser clean up is another strong turn out of association clubs and members.
Be interesting if this exodus is reflected in the clean up numbers.
Haha.. Most clubs have a mix of makes. :cheers:
Bit your tongue kind sir....... ;D ;D ;D ;D
I'm still a proud member of Western Patrol Club WA who are Patrol/Maverick/Safari only club. :angel: :cheers:
Post by: Bird on January 02, 2018, 01:25:17 PM
3 barges going, apparently line moving pretty quickly
(https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26172568_10157123301919517_1158849405308808834_o.jpg?oh=13fb948303e8bb84a14658060fb2cbc3&oe=5ABB343E)
I think i'd setup for another night.
Post by: Charlie Brown on January 02, 2018, 05:45:54 PM
in this day of information, ignorance is a choice
Consider this line stolen, because it's 100% true!
Hey Hookie, you need to thank Donny Miller who Topcat stole it from ;D
Great quote nonetheless :cup:
Post by: MrCruza on January 02, 2018, 06:46:55 PM
Gawd, this is gonna hurt..............but I agree with Mr Cruza :o :o there, I said it........
Fraser clean up is another strong turn out of association clubs and members.
Be interesting if this exodus is reflected in the clean up numbers.
Despite this supposed exodus the last Corroboree was the largest ever;-
A total of 276 registrations which translated to 620 people from roughly 20 different clubs
We ran trips for a total of over 410 vehicles over 2 days
Raised $6000 for various charities (RFDS, Cancer Council, Kenilworth 1st Responders)
Ran a Monster raffle with $17,000 in donated prizes
This years Fraser cleanup is also looking to be the biggest on record.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on January 03, 2018, 05:15:00 AM
earlier today
3 barges going, apparently line moving pretty quickly
(https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26172568_10157123301919517_1158849405308808834_o.jpg?oh=13fb948303e8bb84a14658060fb2cbc3&oe=5ABB343E)
I think i'd setup for another night.
Be some nervous types Shitting themselves watching the tide come it.
Not much sand above the high water mark.
Post by: GeoffA on January 03, 2018, 05:25:46 AM
earlier today
3 barges going, apparently line moving pretty quickly
(https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26172568_10157123301919517_1158849405308808834_o.jpg?oh=13fb948303e8bb84a14658060fb2cbc3&oe=5ABB343E)
I think i'd setup for another night.
It looks so enticing....
Post by: banksy69 on January 03, 2018, 06:41:04 AM
https://www.facebook.com/igotboggedatinskippoint/posts/1336717333100626 (https://www.facebook.com/igotboggedatinskippoint/posts/1336717333100626)
Post by: bullies on January 03, 2018, 08:06:25 AM
I can never understand why I see vehicles with winches using snatch straps to get unstuck. I carry a snatch strap, but unless it's impossible somehow, I'll always use my winch first. I just don't like the idea of those huge forces between 2 vehicles if there is another option.Spot on Hookie, always start with the least amount of force option. As suggested Maxtrax or similar are a good starting point, if bogged. I would also use a winch before a snatch strap, if practical.
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Post by: Charlie Brown on January 03, 2018, 10:42:34 AM
Spot on Hookie, always start with the least amount of force option. As suggested Maxtrax or similar are a good starting point, if bogged. I would also use a winch before a snatch strap, if practical
A shovel is always my first option.
A winch is a bit hard to use on a beach.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on January 03, 2018, 03:03:53 PM
Someone was in a hurry to get over the other side.
https://www.facebook.com/igotboggedatinskippoint/posts/1336717333100626 (https://www.facebook.com/igotboggedatinskippoint/posts/1336717333100626)
Looks like had got a bit of a run-up, from the Bruce Hwy. ???
Post by: edz on January 03, 2018, 03:14:00 PM
A shovel is always my first option.
A winch is a bit hard to use on a beach.
8 to 10 PSI in the tires, Has always worked for me in the talcum powder like soft stuff sand [ Just got to get off the go pedal and not bury the truck ] in the first few seconds in the first place ..
Post by: Bird on January 03, 2018, 03:17:46 PM
Quote from: edz
8 to 10 PSI in the tires, Has always worked for me in the talcum powder like soft stuff sand [ Just got to get off the go pedal and not bury the truck ] in the first few seconds in the first place ..
yep and most times its only a quick snatch to get people out unless they keep the slipper to the floor and are sittin on chassis. No need for winching. amazing how many are scared to drop pressures that low.
Post by: Hookie on January 03, 2018, 08:01:35 PM
A winch is a bit hard to use on a beach.
Yeah, but if you can snatch, you can winch.
Post by: speewa158 on January 03, 2018, 08:07:45 PM
Post by: Bird on January 03, 2018, 08:17:44 PM
Quote from: Hookie
Yeah, but if you can snatch, you can winch.
... but why would you?
Post by: Rumpig on January 03, 2018, 08:45:02 PM
... but why would you?mate had his 17ft caravan on Straddie with us over Xmas, if he got bogged we planned to winch him out rather then snatch a loaded 200 series and van...just safer with the amount of forces in play. At the end of the day his lowered tyre pressures were more then adequate, especially being his van tyres were something like 12psi coming into camp.
Post by: chester ver2.0 on January 04, 2018, 07:58:08 AM
Cause a snatch recovery is quicker and easier to setup ???
Ever since i got the Max Trax's my snatch strap has been gathering dust
Post by: Bird on January 04, 2018, 08:27:14 AM
Quote from: Rumpig
mate had his 17ft caravan on Straddie with us over Xmas, if he got bogged we planned to winch him out rather then snatch a loaded 200 series and van...just safer with the amount of forces in play. At the end of the day his lowered tyre pressures were more then adequate, especially being his van tyres were something like 12psi coming into camp.with a Van you'd access the situation, possibly having to unhitch... then get car out etc...
but car alone that's stuck, winch would be a last resort for me.
Post by: Hookie on January 04, 2018, 05:11:33 PM
Post by: MrCruza on January 04, 2018, 06:00:18 PM
I have 4 maxtrax I've never used (on myself), a snatch strap I've never used at all, and a winch. If there were no other vehicles to help out, I'd drop as much air as possible first (that's as far as I've ever had to go), then get the trax. If there was another vehicle, I'd winch off it before snatching. I prefer the idea of the gradual pull of the winch on both vehicles over the sudden massive force of the snatch strap. To me, a snatch strap is a last, desperate resort.
You obviously haven't been stuck on a track with a hord of impatient 4bs lined up behind you. Quicker is often better. Besides on places like Fraser there is often nowhere to winch from.
Post by: Bird on January 04, 2018, 06:54:53 PM
I have 4 maxtrax I've never used (on myself), a snatch strap I've never used at all, and a winch. If there were no other vehicles to help out, I'd drop as much air as possible first (that's as far as I've ever had to go), then get the trax. If there was another vehicle, I'd winch off it before snatching. I prefer the idea of the gradual pull of the winch on both vehicles over the sudden massive force of the snatch strap. To me, a snatch strap is a last, desperate resort.
Maybe the people snatching you need training or you need to instruct them on how its done.. You don't have to do much 99% of the time to snatch people out.. sometimes it isn't even a snatch - more like just a tow..
Yea theres videos of arsehats with the slipper into the carpet but its rarely needed
heres a good example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDVKdd38gH4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDVKdd38gH4)
and as MC said - on some trips there isn't time to winch everytime you get stuck, or you'd go nowhere.. EG: Beachport beach driving.
Post by: topcat on January 04, 2018, 08:04:28 PM
Hey Hookie, you need to thank Donny Miller who Topcat stole it from ;D
Great quote nonetheless :cup:
WHAT! I resemble that allegation!
I've never stolen words from anyone.
It's like I was saying to the guy waiting for the barge yesterday "all my troubles seemed so far away. Now it looks as through they're here to stay"
;D ;D ;D
TC
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Post by: BaseCamp on January 04, 2018, 08:51:03 PM
WHAT! I resemble that allegation!...all this stress over concerns that applying the snatch is somehow bad for your truck...
I've never stolen words from anyone.
It's like I was saying to the guy waiting for the barge yesterday "all my troubles seemed so far away. Now it looks as through they're here to stay"
;D ;D ;D
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My understanding is that Snatches are designed to soak up stress....
Like a big rubber band...
Of course there will always be exceptions - where a driver will just give it a hard yank - when a gentle pull would have been less stressful ....
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Post by: jw2170 on January 04, 2018, 08:59:53 PM
Quote
If it’s from an accredited trainer, a “self appointed expert” or just a friend who has a lot of experience, as long as someone can give correct guidance on the basic safety and procedures it’s better then finding out the hard way.
+1
Post by: Hookie on January 05, 2018, 05:00:35 AM
heres a good example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDVKdd38gH4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDVKdd38gH4)
Point well made, I've never seen a snatch recovery done like that! But most of the ones I've seen have been on youtube, guess there's a reason they're on youtube.
But I'd still winch first if it was an option. Maybe it's partly due to my desire to justify the $1k+ bolted to the front of my rig...
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on January 05, 2018, 05:31:22 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ISUWNnqt58 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ISUWNnqt58)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJA3J--g_yI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJA3J--g_yI)
Post by: Johnnos3003 on January 05, 2018, 07:14:16 AM
Maybe the people snatching you need training or you need to instruct them on how its done.. You don't have to do much 99% of the time to snatch people out.. sometimes it isn't even a snatch - more like just a tow..
heres a good example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDVKdd38gH4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDVKdd38gH4)
Yeah I would be relucent to let a stranger snatch me, people use way to much right foot.
Maybe this vid should be posted on 'I got bogged at Inskip' FB page so all the arse hats that realise they are using way to much right foot.
monkey see monkey do is part of the problem with snatching on Fraser, people have no idea so they just do what they see everyone else doing.
Post by: rossm on January 05, 2018, 01:49:18 PM
https://www.facebook.com/yusuf.solomon.7/videos/10154531842372581/ (https://www.facebook.com/yusuf.solomon.7/videos/10154531842372581/)
Post by: Bird on January 05, 2018, 02:32:14 PM
LOLthat one would be Flaza Island
https://www.facebook.com/yusuf.solomon.7/videos/10154531842372581/ (https://www.facebook.com/yusuf.solomon.7/videos/10154531842372581/)
Post by: Aussie Iron on January 05, 2018, 06:22:13 PM
https://mypolice.qld.gov.au/maryborough/2018/01/04/police-cant-believe-eyes-fraser-island/ (https://mypolice.qld.gov.au/maryborough/2018/01/04/police-cant-believe-eyes-fraser-island/)
Dan.
Post by: banksy69 on January 05, 2018, 06:59:53 PM
https://www.facebook.com/igotboggedatinskippoint/posts/1339228079516218 (https://www.facebook.com/igotboggedatinskippoint/posts/1339228079516218)
Post by: Hookie on January 05, 2018, 07:19:49 PM
Found this - well pinched it from another site.
https://mypolice.qld.gov.au/maryborough/2018/01/04/police-cant-believe-eyes-fraser-island/ (https://mypolice.qld.gov.au/maryborough/2018/01/04/police-cant-believe-eyes-fraser-island/)
Dan.
Oh man, those nice landcruisers... that makes my heart hurt. Especially when I think some poor bastard who could never in a million years hope to afford a new landcruiser is going to come along and buy one of those second hand thinking he got a good deal on a late model cruiser...
Post by: rossm on January 05, 2018, 08:38:18 PM
Oh man, those nice landcruisers... that makes my heart hurt. Especially when I think some poor bastard who could never in a million years hope to afford a new landcruiser is going to come along and buy one of those second hand thinking he got a good deal on a late model cruiser...
Did a trip last year with a bloke who had a nice 200 series that had come from Queensland.
In a conversation we both wondered what it was about the used car market that a dealer could bring a Cruiser from Queensland to meet demand in WA. We came to the conclusion that there must be more of them there and they must be cheaper.
Hopefully his has never been to Fraser.
Post by: PWE on January 05, 2018, 09:27:09 PM
This is piss funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ISUWNnqt58 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ISUWNnqt58)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJA3J--g_yI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJA3J--g_yI)
I bought a Jeep!
Post by: Rumpig on January 06, 2018, 08:04:23 AM
Did a trip last year with a bloke who had a nice 200 series that had come from Queensland.Fraser isn't a death sentence....The footage being shown lately shows people negotiating Eli Creek, driving at high tide of a King tide, there is no need to be doing what they are doing other then they don't care about their vehicles. My previous Cruiser went to the beach (Fraser included) more times then i can recall, it was rust free when i sold it due to avoiding giving it a salt water bath (it certainly saw a degree of salt water which is unavoidable on the beach), had a thorough wash down on return from each trip aswell as regular rust prevention treatments.
In a conversation we both wondered what it was about the used car market that a dealer could bring a Cruiser from Queensland to meet demand in WA. We came to the conclusion that there must be more of them there and they must be cheaper.
Hopefully his has never been to Fraser.
Post by: Fizzie on January 06, 2018, 08:54:58 AM
LOL
https://www.facebook.com/yusuf.solomon.7/videos/10154531842372581/ (https://www.facebook.com/yusuf.solomon.7/videos/10154531842372581/)
How's your broken back axle ??? >:D
& absolutely love the high-glam shirt pulled up around the chest >:D
Post by: Fizzie on January 06, 2018, 08:57:32 AM
Found this - well pinched it from another site.
https://mypolice.qld.gov.au/maryborough/2018/01/04/police-cant-believe-eyes-fraser-island/ (https://mypolice.qld.gov.au/maryborough/2018/01/04/police-cant-believe-eyes-fraser-island/)
Dan.
Why would you do that to you car ??? :'(
But the blow-up unicorn sitting on the roof - saw someone driving down the GC Hwy through Burleigh yesterday arvo with a blow-up swan on their roof-rack! Have to wonder about the :police: of doing that ???
Post by: Bird on January 06, 2018, 09:13:44 AM
Oh man, those nice landcruisers...double negative much ??? ;D
Post by: tk421 on January 10, 2018, 10:48:21 AM
Hi. Was over there last Tuesday and saw a guy at Lake McKenzie in an SRT Grand Cherokee, the one with the 6.4 semi demi Hemi - the plastic fake underbody protection was ripped off, his rear bumper bar was severely creased. His 20 or 21” tyres wouldn’t have allowed much in the way of reduced pressure. He seemed puzzled when he saw the damage.
Because 4x4! i can drive anywhere....
Post by: Pottsy on January 10, 2018, 11:12:53 AM
I bought a Jeep!Just add more straps for the multiplier effect, instead of one dead when it lets go we might kill three! ??? ??? ???
Post by: Spada on January 10, 2018, 04:23:04 PM
whoops
was reading the posts about the trailer with one wheel.............................gotta love this comment -
"A common problem with the KINGS side awnings which provide so much aerodynamic advantage that the vehicle upon which they are mounted develop too much power.
Go back to the December 29 post which shows a KINGS awning equipped Patrol tear the bullbar straight off a ute.
The 4wd Supacentre need to detune their awnings or at least offer a software upgrade before somebody gets hurt"
Post by: chisel on January 11, 2018, 08:04:57 AM
Found this - well pinched it from another site.Saw about 10 vehicles go through similar on the 3rd of Jan at high tide last week. I'm sure there were more that went through - we only watched for 5 mins. And probably on other days.
https://mypolice.qld.gov.au/maryborough/2018/01/04/police-cant-believe-eyes-fraser-island/ (https://mypolice.qld.gov.au/maryborough/2018/01/04/police-cant-believe-eyes-fraser-island/)
Dan.
Post by: chisel on January 11, 2018, 08:07:08 AM
earlier todayWe drove past this lineup on the 2nd (about 2pm) going the other direction. There were a few still coming back down the beach to join the lineup, too. I'm not sure how (or if) they managed to clear everyone before the barges stopped that evening.
3 barges going, apparently line moving pretty quickly
(https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26172568_10157123301919517_1158849405308808834_o.jpg?oh=13fb948303e8bb84a14658060fb2cbc3&oe=5ABB343E)
I think i'd setup for another night.
Post by: Rumpig on January 11, 2018, 11:33:54 AM
We drove past this lineup on the 2nd (about 2pm) going the other direction. There were a few still coming back down the beach to join the lineup, too. I'm not sure how (or if) they managed to clear everyone before the barges stopped that evening.in peak periods the barges run to demand usually, so if low tide is 6.00a.m for instance they'll run earlier then their usually timetable to get people over to the island...my guess is they likely ran later that day if need be to go clear to back log.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on January 11, 2018, 11:51:43 AM
Post by: Julian Kaye on January 11, 2018, 01:41:13 PM
https://www.facebook.com/campsonthebeach/photos/a.1280681252077801.1073741828.1280661138746479/1324881007657825/?type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/campsonthebeach/photos/a.1280681252077801.1073741828.1280661138746479/1324881007657825/?type=3&theater)
whoops
was reading the posts about the trailer with one wheel.............................gotta love this comment -
"A common problem with the KINGS side awnings which provide so much aerodynamic advantage that the vehicle upon which they are mounted develop too much power.
Go back to the December 29 post which shows a KINGS awning equipped Patrol tear the bullbar straight off a ute.
The 4wd Supacentre need to detune their awnings or at least offer a software upgrade before somebody gets hurt"
80 kph down the beach, not slowing down for the creeks, hitting the dips and crests at speed, loaded up to the hilt, they just never learn.
Post by: edz on January 18, 2018, 11:45:04 PM
Post by: Rumpig on January 19, 2018, 05:43:54 AM
I see someone lost their vehicle at Poyungan Rocks yesterday...there's a bypass track there to get around the rocks. You can take a 60 second detour around Yidney Rocks, or worst case scenario the longer detour route inland to Happy valley that avoids the whole section is a 5 minute drive to save your vehicle
Post by: edz on January 19, 2018, 07:29:22 AM
Had to sit out for a few hours till almost low tide and even then it was play Dodgem into the dunes with the waves all the way to the inland track for Hook Point.
Post by: edz on January 19, 2018, 07:46:38 AM
Post by: Bird on January 19, 2018, 08:02:32 AM
Post by: PWE on January 19, 2018, 08:13:20 AM
Post by: Bird on January 19, 2018, 08:15:48 AM
Will end up on Gumtree as a 'Almost new, never been driving on the beach and washed inside and outside'na, at the auctions across the other side of the country
Post by: DrewXT on January 19, 2018, 08:22:00 AM
na, at the auctions across the other side of the countryNever driven on a mine site
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Post by: DrewXT on January 19, 2018, 08:23:18 AM
Big tides / sea's with wind pushing it in .. Been quite a few trying their luck on Fraser the past few days and loosing everything in the gamble ..It was like this every afternoon we were there up Corroboree Beach, not at all an enjoyable beach drive, so we tried to avoid going South
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Post by: Black Diamond on January 19, 2018, 10:11:18 AM
Big tides / sea's with wind pushing it in .. Been quite a few trying their luck on Fraser the past few days and loosing everything in the gamble ..We were struggling to get through there even around 2hrs from high one particular day. Thank god for the Bypass tracks. We got to Eurong though and headed inland. What a difference even half an hour of tide makes at Yidney or Poyungan rocks. Yet later that arvo it was like a highway
Post by: Rumpig on January 19, 2018, 11:32:14 AM
And what happens when you try to go the beach front . Instead of the Bypass track .... Yesterday and Today .Stole these from facebook .yep, that was the vehicle I was referring to earlier that got done at Poyungan Rocks.
Post by: Black Diamond on January 19, 2018, 11:56:16 AM
earlier today
3 barges going, apparently line moving pretty quickly
(https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26172568_10157123301919517_1158849405308808834_o.jpg?oh=13fb948303e8bb84a14658060fb2cbc3&oe=5ABB343E)
I think i'd setup for another night.
I must have been lucky then. Not many waiting. She was real soft the last 1k or so. 2 1/2 hrs after low.
(https://i.imgur.com/qCPXkrG.jpg)
https://imgur.com/a/UBHTx
Post by: The punter on January 19, 2018, 01:05:57 PM