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Title: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Bird on October 04, 2013, 05:20:03 PM
Anyone with experience in these???

Looking at 4 bay 16TB units.
Been looking today at these brands.... Specs and prices differ as in everything...

http://www.thecus.com/sp_comtable.php
http://www.qnap.com/en/index.php?lang=en&sn=822&c=351
http://www.synology.com/products/compare_spec.php?lang=enu&compare_list%5B%5D=DS413j&compare_list%5B%5D=DS413&compare_list%5B%5D=DS412%2B

So far teh Synology DS413j DS413 DS412+  units are sorta looking best...

Anyone running one at moment??? Good/Bad/Ugly???
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: stretch7702000 on October 04, 2013, 05:47:57 PM
Mate of mine runs the DS413j. He finds it excellent, plenty of apps for it and very reliable. I haven't heard two much about the other brands listed.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: noel_w on October 04, 2013, 06:05:51 PM
Synology seem to be the bees knees from my experience.
Just don't ask me about a certain Netgear i have that shat itself the other day and corrupted both the mirrored drives within. Lucky it was backed up to another NTFS drive.
Got the netgear coz it was cheap, and it is cheap. STAY AWAY.
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Mikeb62 on October 04, 2013, 06:25:10 PM
Qnap get a good rap. I have been running a Synology NAS for over 3 years without an issue. Fast read/write. All good. Actually have 2 identical units one in house and other in separate garage. The main one does a backup to the garage one every night. Always worked perfectly. All my family photos etc on this NAS. Also lots of DVD's and Mp4
Mirrored drive in a NAS are good when you need continuous uptime, say a web database. But a 2nd NAS gives you true redundancy and some chance with theft, fire etc.
If I was setting up now, depending on GB needed, I would possibly look to go totally cloud based. I really like Skydrive.   
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: dungee on October 04, 2013, 06:50:31 PM
I've had a QNAP running constantly for 5 years now.  Replaced a couple of drives and do the updates when available.  Support has been good when I had a question.

Was involved with some Synology devices in an IT project a couple of years back, they were a bit dodgy but may have been the model.

Mate has a Netgear and swears by it.

If I were to buy again I wouldn't hesitate to buy another QNAP.
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Dion on October 04, 2013, 07:17:20 PM
I have two Netgear NAS (one 4 bay 4x2TB, one 6 bay 6x2TB) and two Synology (both two bay devices).  Also have a QNAP.

I like the Synology units and the Netgears (but for different reasons).  In my install, the Netgear wins as it has better support for streaming music services.

Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Bird on October 04, 2013, 10:25:52 PM
The Synology seems to have more addons/features  but most I'd never use... I do like the look of the qnap.
Looking on Staticeice all the cheaper ones seem interstate :(
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: WilSurf on April 08, 2014, 05:22:20 PM
Which one did you go for?
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: paceman on April 08, 2014, 05:41:20 PM
Not sure if you have bought your nas yet, but I have a hp micro server and it works a treat.  It has four drive bays and if you put freenas on it, very stable...
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Bird on April 08, 2014, 07:11:02 PM
Which one did you go for?
None yet. Watched a few used ones on ebay, but I still don't see them as great value... suppose it depends on the price you put on photos

If you don't need to access the photos regularly, I still say a 2 TB external drive or 2 for 1/23048239874th the price is better value.. Take one to work and one at ya parents and one at home.
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: HKB Electronics on April 08, 2014, 07:20:59 PM
I used to run NAS units but found network speeds to be slow and occasional disc corruption would occur.

I have since moved on and now run a pair of Super Micro servers running Windows home server.

Currently running one SSD & two 4TB units giving me 16TB capacity, and I can attach more drives
up to the MB SATA capacity 8 ports:)
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Bird on April 08, 2014, 07:42:38 PM
My other issue is with NAS or server is your still on a hard drive... They fail, no matter what quality drive you buy.

Shame tape backups aren't cheaper and more reliable...
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Jasman on April 08, 2014, 07:52:00 PM
I've had/used them all over the years and I reckon the qnap is probably the best of them but for myself I've gone bang for buck and run one of the new 4 bay Netgear ReadyNas 104 with 4tb drives - it hasn't missed a beat so far streaming video and music.
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: jclures on April 09, 2014, 08:24:24 AM
Lost I don't know a lot about storage options but this is what I have.

http://www.drobo.com/storage-products/5n/ (http://www.drobo.com/storage-products/5n/)
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: WilSurf on April 09, 2014, 09:42:17 AM
How are they with music streaming to lets say Sonos?
Are those micro servers so much better?
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: jclures on April 09, 2014, 09:51:13 AM
I know we can watch the movies from the drobo to the tv if that is any help.
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: achjimmy on April 09, 2014, 10:20:17 AM
How are they with music streaming to lets say Sonos?
Are those micro servers so much better?

Wilsurf kafir the sonos just run a single disk resonable price NAS. Really don't need anything flash. Just make sure your music is backed up elsewhere. I run a two disk netgear duo. If I was doing it again I would buy a Atom based mini PC and run a program called Vortexbox. Linux based freeware that rips, catalogs and stores your disks automatically, for both itunes for mobiles and for the Sonos.
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Ozsnowman on April 10, 2014, 06:48:00 AM
Not sure if you have bought your nas yet, but I have a hp micro server and it works a treat.  It has four drive bays and if you put freenas on it, very stable...

+1! I have one of these running Ubuntu, with Serviio DLNA server so I can access video from 2xTV's, and any number of laptops, Ipad's etc around the house :)
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Bird on April 10, 2014, 09:57:07 AM
http://www.scorptec.com.au/product/Storage/NAS/49717-RN10400 (http://www.scorptec.com.au/product/Storage/NAS/49717-RN10400)
don't look bad value.
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: paceman on April 10, 2014, 10:33:17 AM
http://www.scorptec.com.au/product/Storage/NAS/49717-RN10400 (http://www.scorptec.com.au/product/Storage/NAS/49717-RN10400)
don't look bad value.


i'd buy this for the same price:

http://www.scorptec.com.au/product/Storage/NAS/48979-712969-375 (http://www.scorptec.com.au/product/Storage/NAS/48979-712969-375)

a bit more flexible when it comes to software and hardware...
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: ras on April 10, 2014, 11:15:54 AM
If you also have macs at home and are looking for a nas check whether it supports time machine so that you have the option of using it for backup too. I have an old dlink which doesn't and got a netgear one which does the job.
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: ml27 on April 10, 2014, 12:29:05 PM
I have a Synology DS412+ and it's been flawless. Excellent software, everything just works.   :cup:

Nuff said from me.  ;D
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: noel_w on April 10, 2014, 12:51:41 PM
Been looking at this today if you have an old box and some spare drives sitting around. unRAID server
http://lime-technology.com/ (http://lime-technology.com/)


Advantage of "not" using traditional raid but still being able to pool drives into shares.
Uses 1 (largest) drive as a parity drive (the whole drive is a parity drive) and then pooling the other drives.
Advantage is if you want to upgrade one of your drives, or it crashes you can just replace it and it will rebuild that drive. Does it for both the parity drive or any of your pool drives.


Simple interface via web, runs headless, boots off a usb drive, spins down drives and when accessed will only spin up the drive which has the data you need.
Low end PC hardware requirements
Best thing is it is free for up to 3 drives and low cost licence after that.
Might have to have a play with it tonight.

Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Alexstein on April 10, 2014, 01:44:24 PM
Since i work as a network systems engineer i went all out on my build :)

Im running UnRaid in a 24bay 4u Enclosure. Currently I have 6x2tb's in there and a 300gb drive as the cache disk. All disks in there go via SAS to a HP controller that can handle up to 24 drives but also has an external SAS port allowing me to add another enclosure along the line.

Been running amazingly with no issues even for streaming video around the house.

Disk wise the cheapest option at the moment is to get from officeworks the seagate 2tb external drives for $99 each and rip the disks out :) Officeworks also has a return to store warranty for up to 12 months on their products.

I still have an original 4 bay drobo too that i use for photo backups.

At work we normally roll out 4 bay Qnap's and connect them using Iscsi to their targets for VM backups.
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: paceman on April 10, 2014, 01:50:59 PM
or this, if you are feeling really keen... :)

http://blog.backblaze.com/2014/03/19/backblaze-storage-pod-4/ (http://blog.backblaze.com/2014/03/19/backblaze-storage-pod-4/)
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Alexstein on April 10, 2014, 01:55:28 PM
or this, if you are feeling really keen... :)

http://blog.backblaze.com/2014/03/19/backblaze-storage-pod-4/ (http://blog.backblaze.com/2014/03/19/backblaze-storage-pod-4/)


OR

http://www.nexsan.com/products/e-series-family/e-series-v.aspx (http://www.nexsan.com/products/e-series-family/e-series-v.aspx)

Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Bird on April 10, 2014, 02:04:24 PM
http://xpenology.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6&sid=4ee71eb39fd68b8e91f70fffd4a2bab3 (http://xpenology.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6&sid=4ee71eb39fd68b8e91f70fffd4a2bab3)
http://homeservershow.com/forums/index.php?/topic/5406-run-synology-diskstation-on-your-microserver/ (http://homeservershow.com/forums/index.php?/topic/5406-run-synology-diskstation-on-your-microserver/)
http://homeservershow.com/forums/index.php?/topic/7153-hp-microserver-as-4-bay-nasoptions/ (http://homeservershow.com/forums/index.php?/topic/7153-hp-microserver-as-4-bay-nasoptions/)

http://xpenology.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1758 (http://xpenology.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1758) Installing this: http://xpenology.trantor.be/ (http://xpenology.trantor.be/)

There is also this, but I think its using a vm to do it.

http://patrickscholten.com/install-synology-dsm-esxi-5-x-virtual-machine/ (http://patrickscholten.com/install-synology-dsm-esxi-5-x-virtual-machine/)

http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=HP+ProLiant+N54L+&spos=3 (http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=HP+ProLiant+N54L+&spos=3)

Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Alexstein on April 10, 2014, 02:24:24 PM
This is the very reason we use a proper san with SAS channels for our VM Hosts :)

You could make a simple pc with loads of disks in it into a SAN easily with a SAS controller. Unfortunetly the SAS controller will run the same cost as the NAS you have unless you can find something on ebay.

I can use my enclosure (Norco RPC4224) as a SAN if needed.

The SAS expander i have is the following >
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-HP-468406-B21-PROLIANT-24-BAY-3GB-SAS-EXPANDER-CARD-/400678802750?pt=AU_Server_Accessories_Parts&hash=item5d4a51553e&_uhb=1 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-HP-468406-B21-PROLIANT-24-BAY-3GB-SAS-EXPANDER-CARD-/400678802750?pt=AU_Server_Accessories_Parts&hash=item5d4a51553e&_uhb=1)

which then goes into a flashed M1015 raid controller >
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-LSI-MegaRAID-9240-8i-8-port-PCI-E-6Gb-RAID-Controller-IBM-M1015-46M0861-/291031942880?pt=US_Computer_Disk_Controllers_RAID_Cards&hash=item43c2db06e0&_uhb=1 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-LSI-MegaRAID-9240-8i-8-port-PCI-E-6Gb-RAID-Controller-IBM-M1015-46M0861-/291031942880?pt=US_Computer_Disk_Controllers_RAID_Cards&hash=item43c2db06e0&_uhb=1)

The m1015 controller can still control 8 disks on its own ports.
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Brucer on April 10, 2014, 02:53:41 PM
I bought a QNAP TS419 a couple years ago. It works well but my only regret is that I didn't go a bit upmarket for one of the models with Intel processor. The ARM processor is adequate but if you want to do more with your NAS other than just basic storage functions, the Intel versions are better supported.. refer this http://www.qnap.com/en/index.php?sn=859 (http://www.qnap.com/en/index.php?sn=859) and are better able to cope with the load.
I use mine as a media storage/server and run Twonky DLNA server which works fine.
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Bird on April 10, 2014, 03:07:03 PM
This is the very reason we use a proper san with SAS channels for our VM Hosts :)

You could make a simple pc with loads of disks in it into a SAN easily with a SAS controller. Unfortunetly the SAS controller will run the same cost as the NAS you have unless you can find something on ebay.

I can use my enclosure (Norco RPC4224) as a SAN if needed.

The SAS expander i have is the following >
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-HP-468406-B21-PROLIANT-24-BAY-3GB-SAS-EXPANDER-CARD-/400678802750?pt=AU_Server_Accessories_Parts&hash=item5d4a51553e&_uhb=1 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-HP-468406-B21-PROLIANT-24-BAY-3GB-SAS-EXPANDER-CARD-/400678802750?pt=AU_Server_Accessories_Parts&hash=item5d4a51553e&_uhb=1)

which then goes into a flashed M1015 raid controller >
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-LSI-MegaRAID-9240-8i-8-port-PCI-E-6Gb-RAID-Controller-IBM-M1015-46M0861-/291031942880?pt=US_Computer_Disk_Controllers_RAID_Cards&hash=item43c2db06e0&_uhb=1 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-LSI-MegaRAID-9240-8i-8-port-PCI-E-6Gb-RAID-Controller-IBM-M1015-46M0861-/291031942880?pt=US_Computer_Disk_Controllers_RAID_Cards&hash=item43c2db06e0&_uhb=1)

The m1015 controller can still control 8 disks on its own ports.
yea, but your only slightly getting away from a cheap solution that most can afford, let alone understand.
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Alexstein on April 10, 2014, 03:12:13 PM
yea, but your only slightly getting away from a cheap solution that most can afford, let alone understand.

:P

In short the most NAS devices are just 4 or 6 drives. The next step after this is a SAN or a server with loads of disks. My server is just a load of disks but the controllers allow UnRaid to the disks as individual disks and not as a raid array.

Just changing up the topic slightly.

With unraid if you lose the array you can still load the disks up invididually and see what was on them. With the NAS's if you lose more than one disk your screwed.
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: schmik on April 10, 2014, 03:21:48 PM
I'm a SAN engineer for the market leading SAN company.

I use plain old external drives as they are the best bang for buck. I back up every day to external disk at home and once every few months i bring a disk home and backup. That one lives at work in case of fire or theft.

I guess if you need to back up (or store) more than 4TB you may need a NAS... The slowest oldest SATA drives on USB 2 are fast enough to stream movies at 720p.
No idea why you would need any more than that at home... unless you like fiddling.
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Bird on April 10, 2014, 03:23:36 PM
I'm a SAN engineer for the market leading SAN company.
so... discounts :P
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Alexstein on April 10, 2014, 03:29:41 PM
Shmik.

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/05/fios-customer-discovers-the-limits-of-unlimited-data-77-tb-in-month/ (http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/05/fios-customer-discovers-the-limits-of-unlimited-data-77-tb-in-month/)

:)
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: schmik on April 13, 2014, 10:46:56 AM
so... discounts :P

Umm yeah maybe. Discounts on gear that you need 3 phase power for. 
My employer doesn't make 'consumer' grade gear.

Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: WilSurf on April 19, 2014, 10:23:24 PM
SAN, SAS, etc.
Sorry, you all have lost me.
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Crimso on April 21, 2014, 08:32:55 AM
SAN, SAS, etc.
Sorry, you all have lost me.

Me too, I'm sort of up on ToW, TenT & PoLe technology, but this new stuff just confuses me.
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Bird on May 07, 2014, 11:08:17 AM
Interesting -> http://www.freenas.org/ (http://www.freenas.org/)
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: paceman on May 07, 2014, 11:16:04 AM
Interesting -> http://www.freenas.org/ (http://www.freenas.org/)


one growing problem with freenas is it's increasing use of RAM.

current recommendations is 16GB of RAM for home use.  this is quite a lot...

http://doc.freenas.org/index.php/Hardware_Recommendations (http://doc.freenas.org/index.php/Hardware_Recommendations)
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Bird on May 07, 2014, 11:17:48 AM
Quote from: paceman
one growing problem with freenas is it's increasing use of RAM.

current recommendations is 16GB of RAM for home use.  this is quite a lot...

http://doc.freenas.org/index.php/Hardware_Recommendations (http://doc.freenas.org/index.php/Hardware_Recommendations)
I missed that bit.. :( although RAM is dirt cheap now, it still sounds stupid to need that much.

If you plan to use your server for home use, you can often soften the rule of thumb of 1 GB of RAM for every 1 TB of storage, though 8 GB of RAM is still the recommended minimum. If performance is inadequate you should consider adding more RAM as a first remedy. The sweet spot for most users in home/small business is 16GB of RAM.
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: paceman on May 07, 2014, 11:51:12 AM
I missed that bit.. :( although RAM is dirt cheap now, it still sounds stupid to need that much.

If you plan to use your server for home use, you can often soften the rule of thumb of 1 GB of RAM for every 1 TB of storage, though 8 GB of RAM is still the recommended minimum. If performance is inadequate you should consider adding more RAM as a first remedy. The sweet spot for most users in home/small business is 16GB of RAM.

that's what i thought.  why does it need so much ram??  it's a bit of a worry and in the end, one of the reasons i steered clear...
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Bird on May 07, 2014, 01:45:18 PM
Quote from: paceman
that's what i thought.  why does it need so much ram??  it's a bit of a worry and in the end, one of the reasons i steered clear...


I think when Im cashed again I'll just got he HP N54L
http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=HP+ProLiant+N54L+&spos=3 (http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=HP+ProLiant+N54L+&spos=3)
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: paceman on May 07, 2014, 02:05:13 PM
I think when Im cashed again I'll just got he HP N54L
http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=HP+ProLiant+N54L+&spos=3 (http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=HP+ProLiant+N54L+&spos=3)


i've got the previous version of this (n36) with 8gb of ram running windows 2008 r2 and it has not missed a beat in three years....

you won't be disappointed...
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: noel_w on May 07, 2014, 03:58:44 PM
So.. I have setup a box at home with unRaid. 2 x 1.5Tb drives so far as data drives and am copying data off a 2Tb drive so I can use it as the parity drive.
So far so good, simple to setup as a basic storehouse. Can add extensions to it but am rusty on linux/unix so will leave that and make a playbox to play with rather than my data box. Once I work it out then I would add the extension to the real machine.
Am using an old 2.6Gig Celeron with 2 Gig ram. Working like a bought one.
Only gripe is that it advertises the drives as shares (Flash, Drive1, Drive2) as well as user defined shares. OK for me but would be a pain to tell everyone not to use the drives as storeage but to use the shares instead if you were using it with a few people around.


The hardware requirements was what put me off using Freenas.
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Markbell on May 08, 2014, 09:53:35 AM
I'm thinking of replacing my server 2003 with NAS. 8 users accessing file share and 1 printer.

Anyone see a problem with this?
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: paceman on May 08, 2014, 10:01:32 AM
I'm thinking of replacing my server 2003 with NAS. 8 users accessing file share and 1 printer.

Anyone see a problem with this?

not on the surface, but:

have you got a NAS in mind?
how much data are you sharing?
is this likely to increase by much, year on year?
is this business or home?
what's your budget?
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Markbell on May 08, 2014, 10:41:12 AM
Looking at Qnap
At the moment out server is 300gb incl operating system. So even if I double or triple data should not be an issue.
It's for business with max 8 users at the moment.

Other alternative being given to me is 10k server. Can't see how for just simple file sharing I need to outlay that sort of $.

Budget flexible as I want this to be solution for some time.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: paceman on May 08, 2014, 10:42:34 AM
Looking at Qnap
At the moment out server is 300gb incl operating system. So even if I double or triple data should not be an issue.
It's for business with max 8 users at the moment.

Other alternative being given to me is 10k server. Can't see how for just simple file sharing I need to outlay that sort of $.

Budget flexible as I want this to be solution for some time.

Thanks.

a qnap should be fine for this purpose, as long as it is just for file serving and not application serving...
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Ironman 4x4 on May 08, 2014, 11:00:44 AM
At hope I pulled together a micro server for myself.

I use a HP N40L in which I run 5x 3tb drives. There is 4 slots plus a 5.25 slot for CD/DVD which I converted to instead take a 5th drive.

It's a great unit and has served me very well over the last 12 months.

I run Freenas 8 on it.

Great value too. Picked up the N40L for $200. Put 8 gig of ECC ram in it, which was another $70. Then the 5 drives I put in were $675. It was dead easy to put together. Only other cost was a USB drive to use as the boot disk (that runs the OS). This I just had lying around, but it's an 8gig USB, nothing special.
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: paceman on May 08, 2014, 11:36:14 AM
At hope I pulled together a micro server for myself.

I use a HP N40L in which I run 5x 3tb drives. There is 4 slots plus a 5.25 slot for CD/DVD which I converted to instead take a 5th drive.

It's a great unit and has served me very well over the last 12 months.

I run Freenas 8 on it.

Great value too. Picked up the N40L for $200. Put 8 gig of ECC ram in it, which was another $70. Then the 5 drives I put in were $675. It was dead easy to put together. Only other cost was a USB drive to use as the boot disk (that runs the OS). This I just had lying around, but it's an 8gig USB, nothing special.

a very under-rated piece of equipment, the hp microserver is... :)
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: noel_w on May 08, 2014, 11:45:03 AM
I'm thinking of replacing my server 2003 with NAS. 8 users accessing file share and 1 printer.

Anyone see a problem with this?
Question I have is: Are your existing PC's connected to a domain on your old server. If so they will need to be removed from the domain before you de-commision the old server i.e logon to the local PC rather than logging onto their server account via the PC.
There may be some mucking around to get it all working.
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: peterdeg on May 08, 2014, 11:48:46 AM
Stumbled across http://owncloud.org/ (http://owncloud.org/) the other day. Might have a play.
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Dion on May 08, 2014, 12:23:52 PM
Stumbled across http://owncloud.org/ (http://owncloud.org/) the other day. Might have a play.


That does look interesting. 
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Bird on June 16, 2016, 09:33:40 PM
Bloke at work is using I think Amazon for online backups of all family photos.. costs something like 50c a month or 1/4..
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: me217 on June 16, 2016, 09:51:36 PM
my (nas) is actually an old pentium D powered pc. has been running as my home server/NAS/it was also an email server and a VIOP server (for a while when i had more spare time.) for over 5 years running 24/7. cost me nothing to build as i already had the parts. has 2 mirrored 750GB HDDS. (which do need upsizing now.) and it has served me really well. i though about buying a nas. but for the money that it would cost i could upgrade the HDDs in this and have change.

i use it for photo storage and music and movies which then can be streamed to any tv in my house as each of them have a htpc, i've even got an old laptop setup in my duagthers bedroom so she can watch netflix or anyone one of the hundreds of movies she has.
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: noel_w on June 16, 2016, 10:45:41 PM
My new Unraid 6.2 NAS is running along nicely.
Xeon processor
Supermicro mobo
16Gb ECC ram
6Tb Parity
6Tb & 4Tb Data
2 x 500Gb Cache drives
Docker running plex
About to start playing with VM's. Win10 to start with & Ubuntu as well
Can really recommend Unraid as a NAS OS  ;D


Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: paceman on June 17, 2016, 06:24:52 AM
Bloke at work is using I think Amazon for online backups of all family photos.. costs something like 50c a month or 1/4..


that sounds like amazon glacier...

https://aws.amazon.com/glacier/details/

i have been using that service since it began with free fast glacier (https://fastglacier.com/) software and it works a treat.

it has a command-line option so you can just script it to run whenever you want.

i back up my photos and documents with it.  cheap as...
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: paceman on June 17, 2016, 06:25:47 AM
My new Unraid 6.2 NAS is running along nicely.
Xeon processor
Supermicro mobo
16Gb ECC ram
6Tb Parity
6Tb & 4Tb Data
2 x 500Gb Cache drives
Docker running plex
About to start playing with VM's. Win10 to start with & Ubuntu as well
Can really recommend Unraid as a NAS OS  ;D

nice...  :cup:
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: peterdeg on June 17, 2016, 08:54:18 AM
My playing with Owncloud evolved into something a little bigger.
My "server" is now a Windows 10 pc running Plex to share out videos and music.
I use VirtualBox to run FreeBSD images - one for OwnCloud (2TB of storage instead of the paltry 8GB I get with DropBox). One for backups using rsync (8TB disk). One for a small Wordpress blog. One for dns/dhcp serving.
When I have a chance and get VPN connections working, I'll put a Synology NAS with another 8TB drive at my daughter's place for off-site backups.
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Bird on July 09, 2017, 05:30:22 PM
So what are people using these days..
Bloke at work is using Amazon online backups for his important photos and stuff.. Not for linking to sites


had a scare this morning with a 4TB drive going down - it came back, but currently moving everything to another machine for backup.. time for a permanent solution..
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: paceman on July 09, 2017, 06:38:53 PM
So what are people using these days..
Bloke at work is using Amazon online backups for his important photos and stuff.. Not for linking to sites


had a scare this morning with a 4TB drive going down - it came back, but currently moving everything to another machine for backup.. time for a permanent solution..

Windows 2012 server running on a hp microserver, with 8TB of usable space.

That server is backed up daily to another microserver, also with 8TB of space.

Also run an online backup to an amazon glacier instance, for my documents, music and photos.

The glacier instance costs me about $2 a month to run, for about 500gb...

Would cost me to get the data back, but it is only there as a 'just in case' arrangement.

My microservers are up for replacement soon, soon I am thinking of getting two synology 4-bay NAS devices...  less management and they just work.
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: DrewXT on July 09, 2017, 09:30:43 PM
I'd be going Synology or QNAP ... I spend all day farting about with Windows servers, and the last thing I want to do at home is the same... 

I've played with Amahi and Unraid, but CBFd anymore

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Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: holsty on July 10, 2017, 09:07:58 AM
Been running unRaid here for about 4 years. Goes really well. Have all mission critical data duplicated on the cloud also. Same story as others, I have had to replace a few disks along the way and it does require some tinkering along the way! It is very nice that it now supports 2x parity disks :)


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Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Bird on July 10, 2017, 01:58:41 PM
Interesting, not that I trust magazines at all but gives some options
http://au.pcmag.com/backup-products-1/9603/guide/the-best-online-backup-services-of-2017 (http://au.pcmag.com/backup-products-1/9603/guide/the-best-online-backup-services-of-2017)
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: paceman on July 10, 2017, 02:05:03 PM
Interesting, not that I trust magazines at all but gives some options
http://au.pcmag.com/backup-products-1/9603/guide/the-best-online-backup-services-of-2017 (http://au.pcmag.com/backup-products-1/9603/guide/the-best-online-backup-services-of-2017)


or you could pay $119 a year for an office 365 subscription and get 1TB online storage for five users (5TB in total)...

https://products.office.com/en-au/office-365-home


by comparison, crashplan family plan is $165 per year for 2-10 computers, with unlimited storage...


depends on your usage case and what you want to put in the cloud, i guess...

Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: peterdeg on July 13, 2017, 06:20:37 PM
depends on your usage case and what you want to put in the cloud, i guess...

I'd put it all in the cloud if I could but I calculated that with my pathetic adsl-1 link, the initial backup would take 10 months if I ran it 24x7 and stuffed up access for everything else


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Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Bird on July 13, 2017, 06:23:36 PM
Quote from: peterdeg
I'd put it all in the cloud if I could but I calculated that with my pathetic adsl-1 link, the initial backup would take 10 months if I ran it 24x7 and stuffed up access for everything else

bloke at work started his upload in April (using Amazon cloud I think it was). His 'important" stuff finished this week... hasn't bothered with his movie collection or rubbish.. backed up mainly fotos, and documents etc.
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: paceman on July 13, 2017, 06:31:53 PM
bloke at work started his upload in April (using Amazon cloud I think it was). His 'important" stuff finished this week... hasn't bothered with his movie collection or rubbish.. backed up mainly fotos, and documents etc.

exactly what i did... no movies in the cloud... just the important stuff...
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: boots-47 on July 13, 2017, 08:51:48 PM
I have a 4 Bay QNAP TS-453A and use that to run some virtual appliances, PLEX as a native app and replicate content into my OneDrive account for offsite backups. Once a blue moon, I will also take a copy onto portable USB and leave it at work. A pair of disks are RAID and another pair are JBOD. Performance wise, the QNAP was able to handle running my firewall (Untangle) as a VM and on a 25Mbps NBN connection, however had no hope once I moved upto the 100Mbps NBN.  Runs any 1080P Plex streamed movie around the house via native plex apps and DLNA no problems at all.

Ive never used the HDMI interface and arent that impressed with the device and some of the applications available and wish I took a better look at the Synology.
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Bird on August 10, 2018, 02:01:49 PM
Just had a Synology DS918+ follow me home... Hes per-tee :)
https://www.synology.com/en-global/products/DS918+ (https://www.synology.com/en-global/products/DS918+)
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8492/synology-ds918-smb-nas-review/index6.html (https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8492/synology-ds918-smb-nas-review/index6.html)
(https://imagescdn.tweaktown.com/content/8/4/8492_99_synology-ds918-smb-nas-review_full.png)

Now to backup the drives from the old Qnap TS-431, swap em to the Synology and sell the Qnap :) :)
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Bird on August 15, 2018, 10:10:50 PM
Finally got around to setting it up, using 4x4tb drives I had here (would like 10's but 500ea :( ) setup Raid 5.

Interface is simple, and flows well to setup.. There's also a few vids on the University of Youtube if need be.

Just waiting for it to sort out the drives, probably take a day

Anyone looking for a cheap NAS :) Selling my TS431 Qnap.
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: paceman on August 16, 2018, 06:28:55 AM
Finally got around to setting it up, using 4x4tb drives I had here (would like 10's but 500ea :( ) setup Raid 5.

Interface is simple, and flows well to setup.. There's also a few vids on the University of Youtube if need be.

Just waiting for it to sort out the drives, probably take a day

Anyone looking for a cheap NAS :) Selling my TS431 Qnap.

how much for the QNAP?

why did you upgrade in the first place?  not happy with the QNAP?
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Bird on August 16, 2018, 07:54:09 AM
how much for the QNAP?

why did you upgrade in the first place?  not happy with the QNAP?
needed 64bit NAS
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: paceman on August 16, 2018, 08:02:14 AM
needed 64bit NAS

interesting... what needed the 64bit... ?

any idea on price?
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: DrewXT on August 16, 2018, 09:24:01 AM
Yeah, what are you chasing for the qnap, and why did you need to go 64-bit?

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Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Bird on August 16, 2018, 10:23:40 AM
Was in hurry to get to work this morning... Wasn't for 64bit, was for more storage  you need a 64-Bit NAS for storage volumes larger than 16 TB.
The Qnap is limited to 4TB drives being 32bit.
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: paceman on August 16, 2018, 10:48:53 AM
Was in hurry to get to work this morning... Wasn't for 64bit, was for more storage  you need a 64-Bit NAS for storage volumes larger than 16 TB.
The Qnap is limited to 4TB drives being 32bit.

that's interesting, because when i look at the compatibility for that model, it does handle up to 12TB drives...

https://www.qnap.com/en-au/compatibility/?model=156&category=1 (https://www.qnap.com/en-au/compatibility/?model=156&category=1)
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Bird on August 16, 2018, 12:13:53 PM
Quote from: paceman
that's interesting, because when i look at the compatibility for that model, it does handle up to 12TB drives...
https://www.qnap.com/en-au/compatibility/?model=156&category=1 (https://www.qnap.com/en-au/compatibility/?model=156&category=1)

it will take ANY of them - but you cant have big volumes :(
Its the most asked question on QNAP Forum...
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: paceman on August 16, 2018, 03:39:15 PM
it will take ANY of them - but you cant have big volumes :(
Its the most asked question on QNAP Forum...

aaahh... makes sense now...

so, how much to take this dud off your hands?   >:D
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Bird on August 16, 2018, 04:55:01 PM
Quote from: paceman
aaahh... makes sense now...
so, how much to take this dud off your hands?   >:D

I paid $100...  (http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=50843.msg914391#msg914391)
sell for 100 + shippin
Remember it has no drives in it. but 4TB's are piss cheap now. 10TB's have gone up in price :(
even few 1TBs would be good.
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: paceman on August 16, 2018, 05:08:40 PM
I paid $100...  (http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=50843.msg914391#msg914391)
sell for 100 + shippin
Remember it has no drives in it. but 4TB's are piss cheap now. 10TB's have gone up in price :(
even few 1TBs would be good.


good buyin... how much to ship to postcode 4750?  shouldn't be too heavy with no drives?
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: lloydus67 on August 16, 2018, 05:15:32 PM
If this falls through, I would be interested, I’m in brisbane 4159
Lloyd


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Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: paceman on August 16, 2018, 05:26:39 PM
pm sent
Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: DrewXT on August 16, 2018, 11:51:24 PM
I'll pick it up if the others fall through...

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Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on August 17, 2018, 12:02:20 AM
How much is the shipping Bird?

Slabs or cost per Klm.? >:D >:D >:D
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Title: Re: Network Attached Storage Devices
Post by: Bird on August 12, 2020, 06:15:37 PM
Quote from: Bird
Just had a Synology DS918+ follow me home... Hes per-tee :)
https://www.synology.com/en-global/products/DS918+ (https://www.synology.com/en-global/products/DS918+)
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8492/synology-ds918-smb-nas-review/index6.html (https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8492/synology-ds918-smb-nas-review/index6.html)

Now to backup the drives from the old Qnap TS-431, swap em to the Synology and sell the Qnap :) :)

Still love my 918 :)
https://www.techradar.com/au/reviews/synology-diskstation-ds918 (https://www.techradar.com/au/reviews/synology-diskstation-ds918)