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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Alan Loy on March 09, 2019, 03:35:50 PM
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Just came across these, http://modcon.com.au/c3-hybrid (http://modcon.com.au/c3-hybrid) made OS as all the new Modcons seem to be. Does anyone know how tough they are? Any other comments?
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There seem to be a plethora of these coming out of China lately, many different brands, all look very similar. We had a look mat a few at the Bendigo Leisure fest last November, very claustrophobic, but one mans meat is another mans poison.
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There seem to be a plethora of these coming out of China lately, many different brands, all look very similar. We had a look mat a few at the Bendigo Leisure fest last November, very claustrophobic, but one mans meat is another mans poison.
Had a look at one a couple of weeks ago. Have to agree with the claustro.
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Must be pretty strong because they’re pretty heavy.
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Basically a complete campsite exodus knock off, there was a post or two about them a little while back.
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Basically a complete campsite exodus knock off, there was a post or two about them a little while back.
Love the complete campsite exodus, I imagine the $70/80,000 extra buys you more than just Australian labour costs
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Must be pretty strong because they’re pretty heavy.
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I'm not sure weight equals strength ( I suspect you agree :laugh: :laugh:)
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very claustrophobic,
I see most of them like that.
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I'm not sure weight equals strength ( I suspect you agree :laugh: :laugh:)
My dear Watson...
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What about this?
https://www.jayco.com.au/promo/crosstrak (https://www.jayco.com.au/promo/crosstrak)
KB
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Scott looks good in the video
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Love the complete campsite exodus, I imagine the $70/80,000 extra buys you more than just Australian labour costs
Yeah, decent quality control, adaptability when ordering, and probably better materials in many instances. For some (probably many) the price difference over the CC Exodus means that they are things they are happy to live with.
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Here is a previous post on them http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=54920.0 (http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=54920.0)
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Yeah, decent quality control, adaptability when ordering, and probably better materials in many instances. For some (probably many) the price difference over the CC Exodus means that they are things they are happy to live with.
Correct, people are willing to pay less and compromise on toughness and quality, just look at how many people buy vehicles other than a Toyota??
It is a good thing the internet was not around when Snowy 1.0 was built, Toyota got a kicking in the paper and it would have been worse if the internet was around.
Anyway, for me it is about a principle that you do not knock-off someone else design (skip the R&D fun part) and sell it as your own. Most will see $80k vs $40k, and to be honest, more people camping means holiday money stay in Australia, which is good.
At least China is buy the iron ore from Australia.
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At least China is buy the iron ore from Australia.
And the alumium, and the copper, and the coal, and the gas, and the etc., etc., etc..
Without China, Australia would be on the skids.
KB
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I think we would all like to spend $70k plus on Australian made hybrids but reality is we cannot.
As mentioned imported brands are getting better compared to years ago. There are some good Chinese models on the market and nearly all look the same ;D. The "they copied this and that from them" argument doesn't have any pull these days.
Regarding paying less for quality, the norm in the Australian made caravan industry is expect issues when buying new.
Mark
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Regarding paying less for quality, the norm in the Australian made caravan industry is expect issues when buying new.
Mark
Best off sticking to campers then ;)
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What about this?
https://www.jayco.com.au/promo/crosstrak (https://www.jayco.com.au/promo/crosstrak)
KB
Thanks KB. I didn't know about these until your post. Has anybody seen one in the flesh? They look ok on paper, and a reasonable price.
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Thanks KB. I didn't know about these until your post. Has anybody seen one in the flesh? They look ok on paper, and a reasonable price.
Saw it at the Caravan & Camping show. On paper, I liked it. In the flesh, not so much. Not enough kitchen storage. Small fridge slide. Under bed storage not accessible enough from the outside & no protection for the underside of the cooker. Door doesn't open properly with the awning out. Too many things that aren't an easy fix. For me, the C3 is a much better option.
Al.
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There is a Facebook group for modcon owners. Early indications from the new C3 owners seem to be positive but it’s only early days so I guess wait and see
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for me it is about a principle that you do not knock-off someone else design (skip the R&D fun part) and sell it as your own.
I have a little sympathy for Modcon in this regard after developing the forward fold, for everyone else to then copy it.
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Wonder if they still just Blow holes in the chassis with an oxy, looks pretty ugly or they place them and drill them properly before they get gal dipped ..? Could be possible they missed a couple of proper vent holes and the Gal Dippers did it, Would have to crawl under for a look .
From the vid .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MEICQ-Adw8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MEICQ-Adw8)
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Saw it at the Caravan & Camping show. On paper, I liked it. In the flesh, not so much. Not enough kitchen storage. Small fridge slide. Under bed storage not accessible enough from the outside & no protection for the underside of the cooker. Door doesn't open properly with the awning out. Too many things that aren't an easy fix. For me, the C3 is a much better option.
Al.
Thanks Al. I think the C3 claims to have a full queen size bed. Do you happen to know how wide the bed is on the Crosstrak?
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Thanks Al. I think the C3 claims to have a full queen size bed. Do you happen to know how wide the bed is on the Crosstrak?
I reckon it was a bit smaller in width than a queen size from memory.
Al.
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Thanks Al.
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This is exactly the sort of thing I am looking for. Have owned a soft floor camper for 11 years. We want to upgrade to a hybrid caravan that basically needs no setting up. Goes off road but on easy tracks. Not after Toyota Tuff. Inside only want queen bed, two bunks for kids and some storage. No inside kitchen at all. Just want to sleep inside. Want an outside kitchen and a pantry sort of thing built into the side. I had done up my own drawing and it was very similar to the modcon camper. Was thinking of building one but for the price of this thing I wouldn't bother.
The only thing I am unsure of on this thing is the annex. We like having a bigger under cover outside area. We cut the annex off our camper and setup a 6m x 6m tarp over it. I have been thinking of solutions for mounting a bigger annex to a hybrid caravan type thing. Once again this comes back to ease of setup verses how big it can be. It will be a little while before we can afford one but I will keep watching with interest.
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Eazy enough to do extensions onto an awning track for longer / wider awnings ..
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This is exactly the sort of thing I am looking for. Have owned a soft floor camper for 11 years. We want to upgrade to a hybrid caravan that basically needs no setting up. Goes off road but on easy tracks. Not after Toyota Tuff. Inside only want queen bed, two bunks for kids and some storage. No inside kitchen at all. Just want to sleep inside. Want an outside kitchen and a pantry sort of thing built into the side. I had done up my own drawing and it was very similar to the modcon camper. Was thinking of building one but for the price of this thing I wouldn't bother.
The only thing I am unsure of on this thing is the annex. We like having a bigger under cover outside area. We cut the annex off our camper and setup a 6m x 6m tarp over it. I have been thinking of solutions for mounting a bigger annex to a hybrid caravan type thing. Once again this comes back to ease of setup verses how big it can be. It will be a little while before we can afford one but I will keep watching with interest.
we are in exactly the same position...
don't want to cook inside... just a bed, bunks and storage...
we have started really getting to like using our 3m gazebo for extra space next to our soft floor awning and i reckon we would use it with a new camper as well...
flexible, easy to carry and set up...
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we have started really getting to like using our 3m gazebo for extra space next to our soft floor awning
flexible, easy to carry and set up...
Plus they seem to hold up really well in reasonable wind from what ive seen
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Plus they seem to hold up really well in reasonable wind from what ive seen
we have an alloy outdoor connection 3m gazebo and it's been great in wind...
i just made up some stronger tie down ropes with decent pegs and it's good to go...
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I'm the same, have a 3 metre Oztrail Deluxe and have made heavy ropes that tie to the frame and hold them in the ground with four of BrettB's pegs, holds up in all sorts of wind even with the walls on it
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We previously had a 2017 Patriot X1GT and did some awesome trips with that - couldn't fault it. We ended up selling it as we weren't going to get the use out of it for a couple of years ... well not enough use to justify having that much money sitting around. We sold it easily and went back to the tent until we could justify getting another trailer. We really miss the X1 but we made the right decision.
We're still not ready (maybe next year) but decided to go to the Brisbane Caravan & Camping show just to get an idea of what was available and to start thinking about what we would like next time. We're thinking something like a hybrid. Something with a lot less canvas as we don't have much space at home to dry things out. We like cooking/living outside and only go inside the tent/trailer to get changed or to sleep. We don't want a bathroom setup inside as we rarely need one set up and they take up a bit of room that could be used for storage.
So off to the show we went. I really wanted to see the new Jayco CrossTrak. Jayco hadn't really done anything that could do serious off-road stuff so this looked like it was a step in that direction. We really liked the CrossTrak but there were a few things I would look into further if it stays on the list when we're ready to buy. The spare wheel being exposed under the trailer was a concern for starters. Interestingly the rep said it was the only Jayco van that is warranted against corrugations.
We looked at a lot of other hybrids but nothing stood out. We don't want anything where you have to slide the bedroom out, some designs we didn't like (eg having to close the sink/stove lids to access the pantry/kitchen storage - really annoying if cooking).
Eventually we had a look at the ModCon C3 and we both loved it. Plenty of storage, lots of water storage, Queen bed and we could upgrade it to how we would want it set up. Not interested in the TV or stereo. I love my music but we choose to not listen to music or watch TV when camping. When we were away for 3 months we never missed it.
The bunks are not needed but are not wasted as they are the seating when packed away, plus we can open the bunks up if needed. We like the idea of the option to set up the outside shower tent but we'd put a room divider in it. I'm not sure about how see-through the shower room would be of a night when lit up. The photo on the official site shows it all lit up from the inside and if it had a person standing in it, it'd be like taking an x-ray 8)
Luckily we live about 10 minutes from the Jayco dealer and the Modcon factory is only about 20 minutes from our place so we'll be dropping in to check them out a bit more. I'll have a lot of questions for them but the C3 is winning by a lot at the moment.
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We had a good look at them at the Brisbane show as well. When we bought the Mitchell a couple of years ago, our first choice was the Complete Campsite Exodus but they were out of our price range, so we went for the Mitchell.
The C3 is a very similar design to the Exodus and certainly much more affordable and we liked it a lot. Doesn't have everything we want but access is pretty good to allow things to be added quite easily. The no plumbed hot water was probably our major concern about it but we were told that one is being made at the moment with a water heater unit and hot water to the sink and shower so it's something that Modcon are working on.
We're seriously considering changing to one.
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has anyone actually bought a C3 that can offer up proper experience on them ?
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has anyone actually bought a C3 that can offer up proper experience on them ?
Have a look on facebook. There's a Modcon users group and quite a few C3 owners on there.
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Have a look on facebook. There's a Modcon users group and quite a few C3 owners ob there.
X2 there are plenty of C3 users on this page, most with good reviews, only a couple with any issues. From memory the issues were seals, dust getting in and condensation in the storage boxes causing items to rust and get mould..
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We too are in the process of looking at hybrid campers. My number one choice would have been a Modcon C3 but I am hearing ball weights in the 250kg to 290kg ball weight loaded from owners. Good grief! My recently departed Modcon HFA forward fold weighed in at 220kg on the ball loaded and I am looking under that, if possible. We has a long hard look at a Jayco Crosstrak today in a dealers showroom, and Crosstraks are a little thin on the ground at dealers around central west NSW. The interior was well designed for our wants, remembering Jayco quality. The chassis and running gear were well made and finished. However, overall underneath was very poorly executed as far as electrical and ancillary plumbing were concerned. Too many corners cut and very poor quality control. As poor as any Chinese import I have seen, maybe worse. Simple things like no 240v GPO in the fridge slide despite the supplied fridge being 12V/240V. I have emailed the dealer with my concerns and I'll see what sort of reply I get. I am still leaning toward one, IF my concerns can be addressed. Australian made maybe, but import quality I'm afraid. In my picky eyes anyway. Spending an unspecified amount to sort out manufacturing quality issues should not be needed. And upgrading what is purported to be a good electrical charging system with the addition of a DC/DC charger at my expense gets my goat, as one is not an option.
:cheers:
James
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Simple things like no 240v GPO in the fridge slide despite the supplied fridge being 12V/240V. And upgrading what is purported to be a good electrical charging system with the addition of a DC/DC charger at my expense gets my goat, as one is not an option.
:cheers:
James
Our previous van had a 12/240V fridge. It was even plugged into a power point, but in 6yrs never got used on 240V.
As a DC/DC is not regarded as a must have, Jayco just simplifies things to keep their costs down. Knowing how they like using undersize wires, installing yourself is probably a better option anyway.
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Our previous van had a 12/240V fridge. It was even plugged into a power point, but in 6yrs never got used on 240V.
As a DC/DC is not regarded as a must have, Jayco just simplifies things to keep their costs down. Knowing how they like using undersize wires, installing yourself is probably a better option anyway.
My recently departed Modcon HFA had a Engel Combi fridge/freezer that auto switched between 12v and 240v, when hooked up to mains power. I can see that Jayco, or any manufacturer, cuts costs where ever they can. The cheap fridge only in the Crosstrack would need to be replaced by the same as we had. A dedicated DC/DC would also be fitted, and there are many other quality issues I would have to bring up to my standard. And yes I am a picky old bugger who keeps a tight hold on my wallet. My point is that Jayco make a song and dance about being Australian made, but the quality in many areas is on par, or below the imports. Still, the Crosstrack is appealing if I can get some answers back directly from Jayco about the issues I have with build quality.
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James
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Keep us in the loop re CrossTrak issues as we too are considering due to weight saving and Aus Made compared to C3.
We had a good look over the 16 Bunk/Family and liked the layout, but not the finish and lack of 240 for fridge and DCDC charging.
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Have you looked at the Reconn R2?
Might be another option to throw into the mix, with a lower towball weight
Aaron
We too are in the process of looking at hybrid campers. My number one choice would have been a Modcon C3 but I am hearing ball weights in the 250kg to 290kg ball weight loaded from owners. Good grief! My recently departed Modcon HFA forward fold weighed in at 220kg on the ball loaded and I am looking under that, if possible. We has a long hard look at a Jayco Crosstrak today in a dealers showroom, and Crosstraks are a little thin on the ground at dealers around central west NSW. The interior was well designed for our wants, remembering Jayco quality. The chassis and running gear were well made and finished. However, overall underneath was very poorly executed as far as electrical and ancillary plumbing were concerned. Too many corners cut and very poor quality control. As poor as any Chinese import I have seen, maybe worse. Simple things like no 240v GPO in the fridge slide despite the supplied fridge being 12V/240V. I have emailed the dealer with my concerns and I'll see what sort of reply I get. I am still leaning toward one, IF my concerns can be addressed. Australian made maybe, but import quality I'm afraid. In my picky eyes anyway. Spending an unspecified amount to sort out manufacturing quality issues should not be needed. And upgrading what is purported to be a good electrical charging system with the addition of a DC/DC charger at my expense gets my goat, as one is not an option.
:cheers:
James