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Title: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: xcvator on May 27, 2017, 08:46:57 PM
Has any body else noticed a dramatic download speed drop on their adsl 2 internet connection when the NBN roll out gets near their neighbor hood ?
I've always had about 11 to 12 mbs until the last 3 or 4 months when it's dropped to 7 or 8 , nothing else has changed, same pc, same modem, same operating system.
Now I'm not saying Telstra would would deliberately throttle your adsl2 down so that you got p1ssed of with it and go to the NBN at the earliest opportunity 
Any body else noticed this sort of slowdown
Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: jmorgan1981 on May 27, 2017, 09:06:38 PM
I have.
We are in port macquarie and the NBN is due this month in our area. I would say the last month or two the preformance has dropped off noticeably.
The strange thing is the speed test is around the same.
Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on May 27, 2017, 09:47:08 PM
Always happens.
It's the sort of thing they do to convince people that the older technology isn't as good as the new stuff.
Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: jacm on May 27, 2017, 10:35:06 PM
Yep, the same here on the far south coast - NBN has come through and really ramped up in the last couple of months and the ADSL performance has gone out the window
Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: RebsWA on May 27, 2017, 11:50:05 PM
Funny you should mention that Xcvator!
Had a bunch of issues earlier this year related to speed and after numerous calls to my ISP (phone help from south africa or new zuland) and a new modem/router I gave up and went fishing up north for a couple of months.
Back home now and no improvement.
Had lightening fast internet ever since ADSL came along.
I have also heard my local exchange has been recently upgraded!!!
Funny that - it all seems to coincide with the nbn being available in my area.
Where I live nbn is via the mobile network and from my neighbours feedback I am not interested in going nbn till the bugs are ironed out or they shut down the copper network.
Funny that - or just coincidence!
Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: Fizzie on May 28, 2017, 07:39:20 AM
We've been having exactly the same problem on the GC, except we're currently on Telstra Cable & are due to become ready for NBN HFC any day now ???

Another funny bit with it all. A couple of weeks ago, we were out for most of a day for "Service Upgrade". The next day, noticed that it seemed quite slow so did a Speedtest. Test showed that our IP had changed & speed was only about 1/3rd what we usually get :'(, but the server it connected to (supposedly the closest) was Adelaide & it said we were ~300 miles away! ??? Did another test & forced it to use the GC server - same speeds but that one was then ~700 miles away, so Speedtest at least apparently thinks we were at Broken Hill or somewhere similar ???

Further tests since then at least go to the GC at <50 miles, but still slower than normal. Not bothering to talk to them until after we've gone RFS though.
Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: Pete79 on May 28, 2017, 08:14:54 AM
Telstra also do this with their mobile customers.

We recently moved half of our work phones over to Optus after negotiations with Telstra failed. The day that the moving phone's contracts where terminated all remaining phones noticed their service had changed.
Incoming calls would not connect (direct to voicemail).
And bad lines with dropouts are now the norm.

We since found out that this is Telstra policy;
Good customers with high spends (as we had been) get the best service.
Corporate customers with low spends or negotiate their contracts every year get pushed down to the second tier and get treated like sh.........
Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: D4D on May 28, 2017, 08:19:39 AM
We since found out that this is Telstra policy;
Good customers with high spends (as we had been) get the best service.
Corporate customers with low spends or negotiate their contracts every year get pushed down to the second tier and get treated like sh.........

I doubt this is 'policy' and I would suggest the performance issues are due to other environmental factors.
Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: Pete79 on May 28, 2017, 08:29:06 AM
I heard that from a former Telstra corporate account manager.

High spend (bend over and take it) accounts get the best.
The rest get what's left.

In it's simplest form as I understand it (and obviously I don't know the technical functions involved), those corporate accounts set to high priority get first dibs on coverage.
If the tower is busy and your on the lower tier, your phone will have reception but it won't connect the call.

I'm happy for any actual Telstra technicians to tell me that's wrong. I'm no expert.
But that was what we were told and at the moment it fits perfectly with what we noticed on all 30 mobile phones located in every state around the country.
Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: gronk on May 28, 2017, 08:43:37 AM
I couldn't imagine a big corporation doing stuff like that. I bet if you rang their call centre and asked the aussie on the other end of the line, they would say that doesn't happen  !!
Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: xcvator on May 28, 2017, 08:52:11 AM
I couldn't imagine a big corporation doing stuff like that. I bet if you rang their call centre and asked the aussie on the other end of the line, they would say that doesn't happen  !!

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Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: D4D on May 28, 2017, 08:58:01 AM
I heard that from a former Telstra corporate account manager.

He's talking crap
Title: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: Pete79 on May 28, 2017, 09:01:49 AM
He's talking crap
Sounds like you're in the know.
I'm happy to leave it at that.

We just had a whole bunch of simultaneous coincidences happen to all of our phones on the day we changed our corporate contracts. Very unlucky of us.....
Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: D4D on May 28, 2017, 09:09:48 AM
We just had a whole bunch of simultaneous coincidences happen to all of our phones on the day we changed our corporate contracts. Very unlucky of us.....

Not having all the details I can't provide a definite root cause analysis. I can suggest it could be to do with a back of house change on the accounts in question rather than any technical change.
Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: austastar on May 28, 2017, 09:13:09 AM
Hi,
   Got a call that I can now change over.
Modem in the mail.
Email confirming, must connect modem between 22 - 27 May.
Did that yesterday, and still only 5Mbps,  and no phone.
Grrrr!
It now turns out the stuff has yet to be activated in the local exchange, due 2 June.
Not real impressed.
Cheers

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Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: Pete79 on May 28, 2017, 09:25:05 AM
Not having all the details I can't provide a definite root cause analysis. I can suggest it could be to do with a back of house change on the accounts in question rather than any technical change.
Sorry, I didn't mean to high jack this thread, but now you've got my interest.

Exactly how can a back of house change on our accounts effect our mobile coverage if there's no difference on the tower for which phone gets connection?

I know our guys in all states are having similar issues.
But for me personally my mobile phone sits in a cradle on my window sill and I use a Bluetooth headset for all calls.
I never move my phone, it has been in the same place and had reasonable reception right up to the day we changed our contracts. Now I get on average 6-8 incoming calls per day that go straight to voicemail. Plus several outgoing bad connections and/or dropouts.

The explanation I heard that we had been a premium customer, but have now been moved down made sense.
But if you're saying that no one gets preference in the towers, I'm wondering how an administration error in the back office can effect my mobile coverage.

Or we can just move on from this mobile discussion and admit that Telstra have throttled down their internet speeds in some areas to push customers over to NBN. ;)
Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: D4D on May 28, 2017, 09:40:06 AM
But if you're saying that no one gets preference in the towers, I'm wondering how an administration error in the back office can effect my mobile coverage.

The only way to get preference is to purchase it, such as Telstra Lanes. Your local drop in performance could be down to any number of environmental technical factors, not account based.

Or we can just move on from this mobile discussion and admit that Telstra have throttled down their internet speeds in some areas to push customers over to NBN. ;)

I'd suggest this is due to internetwork congestion than any conspiracy theory.
Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: The punter on May 28, 2017, 09:42:58 AM
The exchange would see far higher traffic as the NBN connections come on. As the exchange is the point of presence for both ADSL and NBN connections this increase in traffic results in link contention on the backhaul. Eventually they will add resource to address the choke point, after the connection count justifies it.
Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: D4D on May 28, 2017, 09:48:47 AM
The exchange would see far higher traffic as the NBN connections come on. As the exchange is the point of presence for both ADSL and NBN connections this increase in traffic results in link contention on the backhaul. Eventually they will add resource to address the choke point, after the connection count justifies it.

 :cup:
Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: DrewXT on May 28, 2017, 10:02:41 AM
The exchange would see far higher traffic as the NBN connections come on. As the exchange is the point of presence for both ADSL and NBN connections this increase in traffic results in link contention on the backhaul. Eventually they will add resource to address the choke point, after the connection count justifies it.
Although according to any number of my former colleagues who are now at NBN Co, the back haul circuits are upgraded before wholesale migrations start taking place, particularly in regional areas, where broadband uptake wasn't necessarily huge...

For us, NBN migration is going to jack up our current internet/home phone costs by about $45/month, and I don't get to opt out, despite currently having HFC to the house which is what my NBN connection will come down... Oh, and I get downgraded from 100mbps to 50mbps for that extra charge...

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Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: The punter on May 28, 2017, 01:29:08 PM
Although according to any number of my former colleagues who are now at NBN Co, the back haul circuits are upgraded before wholesale migrations start taking place, particularly in regional areas, where broadband uptake wasn't necessarily huge...

For us, NBN migration is going to jack up our current internet/home phone costs by about $45/month, and I don't get to opt out, despite currently having HFC to the house which is what my NBN connection will come down... Oh, and I get downgraded from 100mbps to 50mbps for that extra charge...

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Doesn't happen at every exchange.
Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: DrewXT on May 28, 2017, 01:32:29 PM
Doesn't happen at every exchange.
They don't have a cynical smiley emoticon

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Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: prodigyrf on May 28, 2017, 01:51:46 PM
Throttling! Throttle you? Nothing so uncouth could be further from the truth. They call it 'Dynamic Line Management' in the trade  :angel:
Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: prodigyrf on May 28, 2017, 02:06:59 PM
No NBN in sight til Late 2018 but I used to get double this a year or so ago -
http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/6331961275 (http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/6331961275)

Just a tip. When I noticed even that had dropped lower to around 6/0.3 and I was on 'Thrillseeker' speed with Adam Internet (iinet now) I changed it up to Annexe M (gaming) and then back down to Standard and it's returned to that higher speed rock solid again, anytime night or day. I've clearly been DLMed as I'm only 600M from the exchange as the crow flies and you may find dropping down the speed levels with your RSP toolbox improves speed like that for you too.
Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: The punter on May 28, 2017, 02:16:44 PM
They don't have a cynical smiley emoticon

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It's Telstra, none required :-)

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Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: Bigfish on May 28, 2017, 02:54:48 PM
He's talking crap

30 YEARS AS A TELSTRA TECHNICIAN and I can tell you that he is not talking crap. Business customers ALWAYS get priority..company policy.  It used to Shit me that customers who still paid monthly line rental got treated totally different to a corporate/business customer. Even worse if you were a rural customer..sometimes 2 week wait to get fixed whilst Mr. Brown who ran the local milk bar gets his line fixed asap.  Fact not fiction..ADSL will always get slower as more customers get on the same exchange.  Remember when ADSL would slow down of an evening /mid afternoon when all the school kids got home and jumped on the interenet? Same thing.  You can put 1 hose or 10 hoses into a 20 litre bucket...it still only holds 20 litres.
Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: D4D on May 28, 2017, 02:57:38 PM
30 YEARS AS A TELSTRA TECHNICIAN and I can tell you that he is not talking rap. Business customers ALWAYS get priority..company policy.  It used to Shit me that customers who still paid monthly line rental got treated totally different to a corporate/business customer. Fact not fiction..

There's no priority on mobile network access unless you pay for it, e.g. Lanes.
Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: xcvator on May 28, 2017, 03:03:53 PM
There's no priority on mobile network access unless you pay for it, e.g. Lanes.
Neither Bigfish nor I mentioned mobile connections, I'm talking about landlines only, I couldn't give a stuff about wireless, so does Telstra choke/throttle or whatever else you want to call it, adsl2 connections when the nbn gets close
Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: D4D on May 28, 2017, 03:12:33 PM
Neither Bigfish nor I mentioned mobile connections, I'm talking about landlines only, I couldn't give a stuff about wireless, so does Telstra choke/throttle or whatever else you want to call it, adsl2 connections when the nbn gets close

Bigfish updated his post after I replied. Yes corporate/business customers get a higher priority on service/fault rectification That's because they pay more to get an SLA with their service.

Re throttling, as per the earlier answer, it is network congestion/backhaul contention. No conspiracy theory.
Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: The punter on May 28, 2017, 03:21:13 PM
Bigfish updated his post after I replied. Yes corporate/business customers get a higher priority on service/fault rectification That's because they pay more to get an SLA with their service.

Re throttling, as per the earlier answer, it is network congestion/backhaul contention. No conspiracy theory.

I think I'm on his ignore list. Oh the pain
Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: BaseCamp on June 02, 2017, 10:50:47 AM
Well it's official - (according to this Couriermail article - Fri 02/06/17) ....

(sorry it's loaded sideways  grr)...

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Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: prodigyrf on June 02, 2017, 11:31:00 AM
Re throttling, as per the earlier answer, it is network congestion/backhaul contention. No conspiracy theory.
There is congestion to muddy the waters and some areas are worse than others even on fibre, but there's no way my ADSL2+ service has not been DLMed to half now as it's still rock solid at that any time of the night or day. Doesn't make much difference for general web surfing but it certainly would if you were a big downloader of data.

It was Netflix that tipped a bucket on the best laid plans of mice and men although to be fair the NBN is still a work in progress to get everyone on ASAP and then they'll have to address the congested areas seriously.
Title: Re: Telstra Throttling ADSL ?
Post by: The punter on June 02, 2017, 11:35:36 AM
There is congestion to muddy the waters and some areas are worse than others even on fibre, but there's no way my ADSL2+ service has not been DLMed to half now as it's still rock solid at that any time of the night or day. Doesn't make much difference for general web surfing but it certainly would if you were a big downloader of data.

It was Netflix that tipped a bucket on the best laid plans of mice and men although to be fair the NBN is still a work in progress to get everyone on ASAP and then they'll have to address the congested areas seriously.

Yep, that's QoS working as intended, fairs fair