Author Topic: Portable butane cookers withdrawn from sale in NSW (Read 84444 times)

alnjan · « **Reply #175 on:** April 22, 2015, 03:25:54 PM »

Quote from: jetcrew on April 22, 2015, 07:47:11 AM

So I see a list of BAD units to use.

Is there a specific brand that has been deemed SAFE to use ..

IE- one that is still for sale.

If there are no safe ones all good ..but if there are good ones they should be named as CLEAR to use ..then people might throw the old one out and spend $20 on a certifed safe one as its bloody hard finding a replacement cooking solution that is as easy to use and flexible. I,m trying to riht now and if there is a safe one of these i'll buy one.

Jet

All of the butane cookers have been withdrawn from sale. Powers that be have declared they are all unsafe as the cut off valve does not work, mainly due to incorrect use of the cookers. As soon as the problem is rectified new butane cookers will be back on the market.

In the meantime people are going back to the bigger twin burner stoves, either gas or petrol or dual fuel units.

jetcrew · « **Reply #176 on:** April 22, 2015, 04:54:45 PM »

Quote from: alnjan on April 22, 2015, 03:25:54 PM

All of the butane cookers have been withdrawn from sale. Powers that be have declared they are all unsafe as the cut off valve does not work, mainly due to incorrect use of the cookers. As soon as the problem is rectified new butane cookers will be back on the market.

In the meantime people are going back to the bigger twin burner stoves, either gas or petrol or dual fuel units.

Thanks Al I will keep investigating my ulp stove idea then

jet

Bird · « **Reply #177 on:** April 26, 2015, 06:54:23 PM »

anyone lookin for the coleman sportster,
http://www.tentworld.com.au/products/cooking/item/coleman-sportster-dual-fuel-stove.aspx
free shippin...

dales133 · « **Reply #178 on:** April 26, 2015, 10:47:17 PM »

It isn't actualy totaly correct that they've all been deemed unsafe and withdrawn from sale.
It was originally only NSW and some brands but rays ect took it nation wide on withdrawals witch is understandable but there to my knowledge isn't anything official banning sale of all cookers and nsw is the only state that banned most brands excluding a dozen models from sale.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but that's where it was at last time I heard anything

Fizzie · « **Reply #179 on:** May 13, 2015, 01:56:15 PM »

Was in a camping store yesterday & asked the bloke there what was happening with them.

He said that there's a slightly modified design been approved & starting to come back in - thinks Kmart / Target may have them already.

Apparently, the problem was with the little sprung clip that goes down into the cut-out on the neck of the gas bottle. If the bottle overheats, the neck is supposed to expand, pushing that little metal tongue up, which turns the flame off. On some units, it was found that the tongue was too soft, so that it would bend in place, rather then flipping upward, so flame kept burning while gas is pouring out of ruptured bottle

Have checked ours, & the clip is nice & stiff on both of them, so will continue to use them, making sure not to overheat the cylinder by putting too big a pan on top!

KingBilly · « **Reply #180 on:** May 13, 2015, 02:12:31 PM »

Thanks for the info. Explains it well. Had heard it was something simple, now we know.

KB

jetcrew · « **Reply #181 on:** May 13, 2015, 03:41:49 PM »

so there is a list of APPROVED or good ones out there somewhere... i meAN THEY ARE WORTH $20 SO HAPPY TO PAY FOR A COMPLIANT ONE ..i JUST HATE HOW THEY LIGHT THE FIRE SO TO SPEAK AND THEN DRY UP THE INFO ON US.

BLOODY CAPSlock

Jet

prodigyrf · « **Reply #182 on:** May 14, 2015, 01:07:17 AM »

Quote from: Fizzie on May 13, 2015, 01:56:15 PM

On some units, it was found that the tongue was too soft, so that it would bend in place, rather then flipping upward, so flame kept burning while gas is pouring out of ruptured bottle

Have checked ours, & the clip is nice & stiff on both of them, so will continue to use them, making sure not to overheat the cylinder by putting too big a pan on top!

I'd agree with that but now I'm aware of the cost/benefit of CRV safety cans for butane I'd only purchase them for these cookers because you never know who'll misuse them with large pots or even damage that clip/shutoff mechanism. Best to think on behalf of the technically illiterate around home

I noticed in BCF the other day they only seemed to have the CRV cans on prominent display, although I wasn't looking specifically for them, so perhaps the retailers are wising up too. For the piddling extra cost of CRV cans for their upside and given the number of these cookers out there in consumer hands, why wouldn't the authorities mandate CRV cans only for future use and roll over and go back to sleep?

sweetpea · « **Reply #183 on:** May 20, 2015, 05:53:56 PM »

Energy Safe Victoria (ESV) has an article in their Autumn newsletter.

See Page 8 http://www.joomag.com/magazine/energysafe-magazine-autumn-2015-issue-39/0831492001431585414?short

It explains the condition and fault that they consider dangerous.

S.

Bill · « **Reply #184 on:** May 20, 2015, 06:57:22 PM »

Good article.
As far as I know Super Retail Group have not gotten any recall notices for the ones we sell at work as was stated at the end of the article.
So will be interesting to see if they are recalled at some point.
Bill

slydar · « **Reply #185 on:** July 18, 2015, 09:20:49 AM »

the only problem I had with mine was the can not sealing off properly when the whole mechanism was disengaged. driving up a track one morning and I could smell the gas - quick exit and open all doors!!!!!

edz · « **Reply #186 on:** August 18, 2015, 04:36:14 PM »

Their Backkkkkkk ... big green sheds in QLD $29.
Might have to go see what it is they changed on them compared to mine of the same brand .

feisty · « **Reply #187 on:** August 18, 2015, 09:15:47 PM »

Quote from: edz on August 18, 2015, 04:36:14 PM

Their Backkkkkkk ... big green sheds in QLD $29.
Might have to go see what it is they changed on them compared to mine of the same brand .

Yeah but they are sooo last year!
So what have we replaced them with? Not sure. I now enjoy my spam cold.

Roger D · « **Reply #188 on:** August 19, 2015, 01:14:04 PM »

Back on sale in Sydney too. I can't see much difference in them other than this stuck to the underside of the carry case.

edz · « **Reply #189 on:** August 19, 2015, 01:23:35 PM »

jw2170 · « **Reply #190 on:** August 19, 2015, 05:46:10 PM »

The local markets has them for sale again, but by comments made, the price seems to have gone up....

Still plenty of bottles available for butane torches, etc.

Glamping Diva · « **Reply #191 on:** September 06, 2015, 03:04:46 PM »

Mmmmmmmmm we use ours all the time and have never had any problems. We are careful not to put pans that are larger than the burner trivet though. I think this helps avoid overheating

shrek4 · « **Reply #192 on:** September 06, 2015, 04:22:03 PM »

I saw one of the 'new' models at Anaconda. From what I could tell the pot stand is now screwed into place i.e. no longer removable.
With the one we have the pot stand is removable and you can put it upside down back into the base to make it smaller to pack.

With the new ones it seems nothing else has changed other than that.

Big Damo · « **Reply #193 on:** September 07, 2015, 11:03:05 PM »

Still using mine but since the wife seen an old lady had one blow up in her face recently on the news she wants me to get rid of ours.
Just can not see how if you use correctly that they will be dangerous,

BigDog816 · « **Reply #194 on:** September 08, 2015, 09:15:33 PM »

I had a look in Bunnings and they don't look any different, other than the price, now $30. Bunnings bloke didn't know what the difference was and there is no explanation on the pack.

The expedition Aus bloke had a look and found the trivet is fixed, making the box bigger, and it now has a 20cm paper template in there as above

I got in touch with gasmate as in amongst all the recall stuff it's impossible to find out anything about it. They said the key differences were.

New model is GASMATE CS170/CS175 Certificate AGA 8177

1. Trivet fixed in place. Assume this is to stop you using it without or upside down.
2. Regulator has a lower safety release pressure. If the heat and pressure on the butane canisters rises above a safe level the gas is cut off.
3. The housing under the cartridge chamber is now fully enclosed. This ensures that no foreign objects can come ini contact with the reg or canister while in use.
4. Burner rim is slightly thicker an wider. Less likely the flame will go out with a spill over

Also check out the Gasmate Facebook page, some people are having issues with the new ones (might be user error).

Also the $10 price increase is a bit steep. gasmate would probably say it's the additional certification and redesign and safety features. I reckon it's a bit of that and the fact that it's the only one the has a valid cert at the moment but guess that's simple supply and demand.

I've never had a problem with mine so I'm going to keep using my old ones with the CRV canisters (see link below) until there are a few more available and the price comes down.

https://rikkiresources.wordpress.com...ne-stove-safe/

Big Dog

Spada · « **Reply #195 on:** September 09, 2015, 07:50:10 AM »

Quote from: BigDog816 on September 08, 2015, 09:15:33 PM

Also the $10 price increase is a bit steep. gasmate would probably say it's the additional certification and redesign and safety features. I reckon it's a bit of that and the fact that it's the only one the has a valid cert at the moment but guess that's simple supply and demand.

And they have to recoup their losses on the recall

jkwpajero · « **Reply #196 on:** September 09, 2015, 05:10:56 PM »

I purchased a Primus one a couple of years ago, and the "new" Gasmate one is identical in construction. I am going to use my Primus one with new cylinders. It is only used for a roadside cuppa stop now and then anyway.

James

jw2170 · « **Reply #197 on:** September 12, 2015, 05:18:28 PM »

Quote from: peterdeg on April 22, 2015, 08:50:03 AM

For a recalled item, there where a heck of a lot of them on mega special at Rosehill last week.

...and at Penrith on Friday. $29.00 at one stand, $20.00 next door...

Herks · « **Reply #198 on:** September 12, 2015, 07:44:06 PM »

Quote from: jw2170 on September 12, 2015, 05:18:28 PM

...and at Penrith on Friday. $29.00 at one stand, $20.00 next door...

And on one cooking stand this guy had 3 of the old ones going. The idea was to sell a variety of his specific attachments, fully inclosed wind guard, a large BBQ round plate on legs which the burner sits under.
All looked to me to just retain a lot of heat, similar to the oversized pots and pans which was supposed to be the cause of the problem in the first place.
Go figure!!!

Bushman · « **Reply #199 on:** September 13, 2015, 08:10:06 AM »

Also noticed them being sold at Penrith show plus that bloke using them inside demonstrating his fold up BBQ/fry pan and the wind guards.

I have 2 of the Primus ones, had them a few years now don't used much, I dropped one and mangled the lid over the canister, guess I should ditch them.

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Author Topic: Portable butane cookers withdrawn from sale in NSW (Read 84444 times)

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