Author Topic: Crossing Nolan's Creek !! (Read 28699 times)

D4D · « **Reply #25 on:** June 24, 2012, 07:25:28 PM »

RIP Prado in Nolans
http://www.pradopoint.com/showthread.php?24690-Cape-York-or-bust-May-2012/page7

gclan · « **Reply #26 on:** July 11, 2012, 11:05:22 AM »

We reached Nolans Brook and ran into a rowdy bunch of Myswaggers looking for a goat? Any luck?

Our guys walked the crossing and had a chat to Symon, and safely all made it across relatively unscathed. Our air con and UHF died in the Defender, but we've since dried out the UHF, and several days later our friend's D4 starter motor died. Unsure yet if that's related to Nolan's or not. We did go through some deep water up on the Punsand Bay shortcut to the Tip, but it could also just be a Land Rover thing :-(

Logans Creek before Nolans was actually deeper, and our other mates Challenger flooded as it kept knocking back into 2wd and got stuck.

Great running into you guys at Nolans. Sorry we didn't provide any entertainment.

Cheers
Karen

GeoffA · « **Reply #27 on:** July 12, 2012, 09:32:49 PM »

Dive, dive, dive...........

Glenno · « **Reply #28 on:** July 12, 2012, 09:47:42 PM »

More of captain Mauri at work!

Diksta · « **Reply #29 on:** July 12, 2012, 10:00:46 PM »

i suppose the obvious question is, did he make it thru OK

GeoffA · « **Reply #30 on:** July 12, 2012, 10:03:35 PM »

Quote from: Diksta on July 12, 2012, 10:00:46 PM

i suppose the obvious question is, did he make it thru OK

Just a walk in the park for Captain Mauri and his trusty Defender.......

jclures · « **Reply #31 on:** July 13, 2012, 06:37:41 AM »

I think the whole trip was a walk in the park for Captain Mauri,

it makes you think if he drove across Bass Strait as well.

jetcrew · « **Reply #32 on:** July 13, 2012, 02:17:45 PM »

Quote from: Glenno on July 12, 2012, 09:47:42 PM

More of captain Mauri at work!

Might look good in the photo but that car was about 10mm away from the biggest gut full of water through the snorkle into the engine.

Looks good and hardcore but In reality it is quite unnesssasary to pull cars through at that speed. I'd be stuffed if I'd let anyone pull me through water like that.. Have a good look on you tube there are plenty of good examples of how to do an assited water crossing.

Will make a great magazine cover though

Jet

Kangaron · « **Reply #33 on:** July 13, 2012, 03:36:31 PM »

For those that haven't rear the thread posted by D4D.


Prado 150 at Nolans Brook - Drowned

KevinD4D · « **Reply #34 on:** July 13, 2012, 03:57:06 PM »

Breaks your heart to see this happen to a new vehicle but its all part of it I guess...

jetcrew · « **Reply #35 on:** July 13, 2012, 04:03:56 PM »

Thats a real shame ...just like all the cars drowned there this year, but everyone is saying it's impassable and it's to deep etc.

But really it's only catching out the people who have no plan , no idea or are to cocky.

that car lost momentum at the 0.15sec mark the strap was connected at the 1.18sec mark .that is far to long to have a strap connected. from time of lost momentum in water to recovery should be a max of .20sec in total.

Every water crossing recovery plan should be based on this .20sec timeframe. I saw people get stuck and start to spool winches out

far to long.

having the recovery team filming

far to long

Going looking for a spare strap in the event of failure

takes to long.

No car should ever spend longer than .20sec in the water awaiting recovery. if you do not have the equipment in position or know how to effect this then do not attempt the crossing.

very sad for all those people including this one, that have lost a car this year,

Jet

Strider · « **Reply #36 on:** July 14, 2012, 06:06:29 PM »

I take it you mean 20 seconds and not point 2 of a second. Otherwise you are very quick at attaching straps. But I agree, you need a bridle already attached and we now use a clevis hook to snap on to the bridle. No loosing the D shackle bolt at the worst possible moment,

Regards
Alan

Big Nath · « **Reply #37 on:** July 14, 2012, 06:26:13 PM »

Goes to show having all the "fruit" means nothing.

@fnq4now · « **Reply #38 on:** July 14, 2012, 09:30:03 PM »

Being very green when it comes to water crossings, but also very keen, I'd love to see some video footage of how it's done correctly. Particularly the recovery part.

becboo · « **Reply #39 on:** July 14, 2012, 09:42:04 PM »

I'm sorry hahahahahahahaha

No it isnt funny for the people who own the vehicle

Sorry wrong way!!

jetcrew · « **Reply #40 on:** July 14, 2012, 10:00:21 PM »

Quote from: Strider on July 14, 2012, 06:06:29 PM

I take it you mean 20 seconds and not point 2 of a second. Otherwise you are very quick at attaching straps. But I agree, you need a bridle already attached and we now use a clevis hook to snap on to the bridle. No loosing the D shackle bolt at the worst possible moment,

Regards
Alan

Yes mate I did mean 20 seconds, just a personal opinion I would not ever use a d shackle or anything else solid like a hook to connect the recovery strap to the equalizer strap. The equal strap is designed to be feed through the recovery strap eye. Using a shackle or hook is very unsafe as if either strap breaks the shackle or hook are a missile looking for either a head to land in or will recoil straight through your radiator .It Also frays the heck out of the equal strap.

Jet

PETE03GU · « **Reply #41 on:** July 25, 2012, 09:02:13 PM »

Hey JET,

You seem to know your stuff, so how would I get my flock of goats through Nolans if they were to get stuck?

Croissant!!!!

McGirr · « **Reply #42 on:** July 25, 2012, 09:23:56 PM »

Everyone will have opinions regarding water crossings. I was happy with the way the recovery team did their job at Nolan's on the Cape trip.

Mark

jk · « **Reply #43 on:** July 25, 2012, 10:01:16 PM »

Thanks Mark.........................Alan Jones once said that criticism is only as valid as those that give it.........................smart man that !

I feel very sure that none of the forementioned issues will ever be a problem again. It's good to know that there is a wealth of knowledge out there to help travelers arrive safe and sound at their destinations.

blackmav · « **Reply #44 on:** July 25, 2012, 10:32:59 PM »

I agree with Jetcrew.
Why was the the strap not connected to the Prado?
From the moment the car entered the water its clear it would struggle big time.

Did it hydrolic?

I can only guess that the owner/driver hasn't done much of that sort of thing before to allow it to happen. I shudder to think that an owner could be under the impression of being looked after and have that happen. Im sorry if that sounds harsh as the people helping only have best intentions but really that was very amature.

In the end mistakes happen, no one was hurt, its just an insured car..

Teabag · « **Reply #45 on:** July 25, 2012, 10:37:45 PM »

Not critisising anyone but there are many eggspirts after the fact.....20/20 hindsight is a great thing.....Just a thought.......

blackmav · « **Reply #46 on:** July 25, 2012, 10:52:33 PM »

Quote from: Teabag on July 25, 2012, 10:37:45 PM

Not critisising anyone but there are many eggspirts after the fact.....20/20 hindsight is a great thing.....Just a thought.......

Being prepared is a great thing too.

rockman · « **Reply #47 on:** July 26, 2012, 05:32:21 AM »

Quote from: blackmav on July 25, 2012, 10:32:59 PM

I agree with Jetcrew.
Why was the the strap not connected to the Prado?
From the moment the car entered the water its clear it would struggle big time.

Did it hydrolic?

I can only guess that the owner/driver hasn't done much of that sort of thing before to allow it to happen. I shudder to think that an owner could be under the impression of being looked after and have that happen. Im sorry if that sounds harsh as the people helping only have best intentions but really that was very amature.

In the end mistakes happen, no one was hurt, its just an insured car..

I was under the impression that this was a bunch of people going to the cape and having a bit of fun on the way , not a full paid for tag-a-long safari , complete with guarantee's of recovery s / camp-sites / toilets .
I always find it funny when people criticize after the fact .... seems to becoming the Australian way unfortunately 8(
Actually ... not funny ... piss-poor would be the better word for it !

Its also funny that there is so many ' experts ' sitting on the sideline

Cheers

Symon · « **Reply #48 on:** July 26, 2012, 06:26:23 AM »

Quote from: blackmav on July 25, 2012, 10:52:33 PM

Being prepared is a great thing too.

Yes, but on the day sometimes things do get overlooked. It is one thing to be looking at footage of things going wrong, it is another to be actually there making the decision as to what the plan is. There may have been a perfectly good reason why the prado owner took the approach they did, I wasn't there, so how would I know.

The strange thing is people are human, and you could be the most experienced person in the world and still make mistakes.

blackmav · « **Reply #49 on:** July 26, 2012, 07:53:59 AM »

I not trying to start a brew ha ha .

I'm all for people having a go but if they are that bad at it, should they really be trying a crossing with a reputation of claiming cars daily?
What is the point where they are having an adventure on the edge of their ability and being dangerous? (not saying they were)

Like I said no one got hurt and its just a car and belongings. But for most the investment in the trip, car, time,equipment etc is a litlle more than a a few mates flogging paddock basher.

At what point will the track be shut due to overuse ,rubbish being nailed to trees as a laugh( gunshot), people taking 'chicken tracks', cutting new tracks/lines because they cannot drive the trail or have a trailer or a car that not up to it. If people did what this years Myswag crew did and actually did a bit of track building over the years , Gunshot would not be the disgrace it is. If there was a track in NSW that was that much of a mess it would have been gated long ago.

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