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Qantas Lies about not supportting Jetstar
« on: August 26, 2011, 12:12:22 PM »

Senator XENOPHON (South Australia) (19:37): I rise to speak tonight on an issue that is close to the hearts of many Australians, and that is the future of our national carrier, Qantas. At 90, Qantas is the world's oldest continuously running airline. It is an iconic Australian company. Its story is woven into the story of Australia and Australians have long taken pride in the service and safety standards provided by our national carrier. Who didn't feel a little proud when Dustin Hoffman uttered the immortal line in Rain Man, 'Qantas never crashed'?

While it is true that Qantas never crashes, the sad reality is that Qantas is being deliberately trashed by management in the pursuit of short-term profits and at the expense of its workers and passengers. For a long time, Qantas management has been pushing the line that Qantas international is losing money and that Jetstar is profitable. Tonight, it is imperative to expose those claims for the misinformation they are. The reality is that Qantas has long been used to subsidise Jetstar in order to make Jetstar look profitable and Qantas look like a burden. In a moment, I will provide detailed allegations of cost-shifting that I have sourced from within the Qantas Group, and when you know the facts you quickly see a pattern. When there is a cost to be paid, Qantas pays it, and when there is a profit to be made, Jetstar makes it.

But first we need to ask ourselves: why? Why would management want Qantas to look unprofitable? Why would they want to hide the cost of a competing brand within their group, namely Jetstar, in amongst the costs faced by Qantas?

To understand that, you need to go back to the days when Qantas was being privatised. When Qantas was privatised the Qantas Sale Act 1992 imposed a number of conditions, which in turn created a number of problems for any management group that wanted to flog off parts of the business. Basically, Qantas has to maintain its principal place of operations here in Australia, but that does not stop management selling any subsidiaries, which brings us to Jetstar.

Qantas has systematically built up the low-cost carrier at the expense of the parent company. I have been provided with a significant number of examples where costs which should have been billed back to Jetstar have in fact been paid for by Qantas. These are practices that I believe Qantas and Jetstar management need to explain. For example, when Jetstar took over the Cairns-Darwin-Singapore route, replacing Qantas flights, a deal was struck that required Qantas to provide Jetstar with $6 million a year in revenue. Why? Why would one part of the business give up a profitable route like that and then be asked to pay for the privilege? Then there are other subsidies when it comes to freight. On every sector Jetstar operates an A330, Qantas pays $6,200 to $6,400 for freight space regardless of actual uplift. When you do the calculations, this turns out to be a small fortune. Based on 82 departures a week, that is nearly half-a-million dollars a week or $25½ million a year.

Then there are the arrangements within the airport gates. In Melbourne, for example, my information from inside the Qantas group is that Jetstar does not pay for any gates, but instead Qantas domestic is charged for the gates. My question for Qantas management is simple: are these arrangements replicated right around Australia and why is Qantas paying Jetstar's bills? Why does Qantas lease five check-in counters at Sydney Terminal 2, only to let Jetstar use one for free? It has been reported to me that there are other areas where Jetstar's costs magically become Qantas's costs. For example, Jetstar does not have a treasury department and has only one person in government affairs. I am told Qantas's legal department also does free work for Jetstar.

Then there is the area of disruption handling where flights are cancelled and people need to be rebooked. Here, insiders tell me, Qantas handles all rebookings and the traffic is all one way. It is extremely rare for a Qantas passenger to be rebooked on a Jetstar flight, but Jetstar passengers are regularly rebooked onto Qantas flights. I am informed that Jetstar never pays Qantas for the cost of those rebooked passengers and yet Jetstar gets to keep the revenue from the original bookings. This, I am told, is worth millions of dollars every year. So Jetstar gets the profit while Qantas bears the costs of carriage. It has also been reported to me that when Qantas provides an aircraft to Jetstar to cover an unserviceable plane, Jetstar does not pay for the use of this plane.

Yet another example relates to the Qantas Club. Jetstar passengers can and do use the Qantas Club but Jetstar does not pay for the cost of any of this. So is Qantas really losing money? Or is it profitable but simply losing money on paper because it is carrying so many costs incurred by Jetstar? We have been told by Qantas management that the changes that will effectively gut Qantas are necessary because Qantas international is losing money but, given the inside information I have just detailed, I would argue those claims need to be reassessed.

Indeed, given these extensive allegations of hidden costs, it would be foolish to take management's word that Qantas international is losing money. So why would Qantas want to make it look like Qantas international is losing money? Remember the failed 2007 private equity bid by the Allco Finance Group. It was rejected by shareholders, and thank goodness it was, for I am told that what we are seeing now is effectively a strategy of private equity sell-off by stealth.

Here is how it works. You have to keep Qantas flying to avoid breaching the Qantas Sale Act but that does not stop you from moving assets out of Qantas and putting them into an airline that you own but that is not controlled by the Qantas Sale Act. Then you work the figures to make it appear as though the international arm of Qantas is losing money. You use this to justify the slashing of jobs, maintenance standards and employment of foreign crews and, ultimately, the creation of an entirely new airlines to be based in Asia and which will not be called Qantas. The end result? Technically Qantas would still exist but it would end up a shell of its former self and the Qantas Group would end up with all these subsidiaries it can base overseas using poorly paid foreign crews with engineering and safety standards that do not match Australian standards. In time, if the Qantas Group wants to make a buck, they can flog these subsidiaries off for a tidy profit. Qantas management could pay the National Boys Choir and the Australian Girls Choir to run to the desert and sing about still calling Australia home, but people would not buy it. It is not just about feeling good about our national carrier—in times of trouble our national carrier plays a key strategic role. In an international emergency, in a time of war, a national carrier is required to freight resources and people around the country and around the world. Qantas also operates Qantas Defence Services, which conducts work for the RAAF. If Qantas is allowed to wither, who will meet these strategic needs?

I pay tribute to the 35,000 employees of the Qantas Group. At the forefront of the fight against the strategy of Qantas management have been the Qantas pilots, to whom millions of Australians have literally entrusted their lives. The Australian and International Pilots Association sees Qantas management strategy as a race to the bottom when it comes to service and safety. On 8 November last year, QF32 experienced a serious malfunction with the explosion of an engine on an A380 aircraft. In the wrong hands, that plane could have crashed. But it did not, in large part because the Qantas flight crew had been trained to exemplary world-class standards and knew how to cope with such a terrifying reality. I am deeply concerned that what is being pursued may well cause training levels to fall and that as a result safety standards in the Qantas Group may fall as well. AIPA pilots and the licensed aircraft engineers are not fighting for themselves; they are fighting for the Australian public. That is why I am deeply concerned about any action Qantas management may be considering taking against pilots who speak out in the public interest.

A lot of claims have been made about the financial state of Qantas international but given the information I have presented tonight, which has come from within the Qantas Group, I believe these claims by management are crying out for further serious forensic investigation. Qantas should not be allowed to face death by a thousand cuts—job cuts, route cuts, quality cuts, engineering cuts, wage cuts. None of this is acceptable and it must all be resisted for the sake of the pilots, the crews, the passengers and ultimately the future of our national carrier.

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Re: Qantas Lies about not supportting Jetstar
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2011, 01:00:09 PM »
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Re: Qantas Lies about not supportting Jetstar
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2011, 01:01:58 PM »
Shouldn't this be in the daily rant thread...
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Re: Qantas Lies about not supportting Jetstar
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2011, 01:04:19 PM »
sure did not know we had one , thanks will move it cheers

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Re: Qantas Lies about not supportting Jetstar
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2011, 02:24:09 PM »
Very interesting, thanks for sharing.

I've seen the cozy Jetstar arrangements in my line of work and while I didn't realise the extent of it, what Xenophon says sounds perfectly plausible to me.
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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2011, 04:36:53 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2011, 05:04:36 PM »
Does anybody have the 25 word version of this?


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Re: Qantas Lies about not supportting Jetstar
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2011, 05:53:30 PM »
If the government wants to tell Qantas what to do they should buy it back . The directors' job is to make a profit for the shareholders , not pander to politicians . Having said that ,  I do believe Mr Xenophon is one of the better ones .

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« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2011, 06:15:40 PM »
This does not supprise me one bit.
Jetstar is Dixon's baby and he gave it a clear run when it was a start up, he and his executives organised that QF would be the back up for Jetstar to get planes, handed over routes and pulled out the QF. A classic example was with the routes into the Gold Coast, QF handed over the lot to Jetstar, including the staff, one day they were QF staff, the next Jetstar and others were handed out to contractors who worked for Jetstar.

A little bit of my QF history.

Qantas International has generally made losses, maybe 3 in 10 years it had made a minor profit, the domestic arm has always subsidised the international section in the bad times.
Before the big merger, that is, Australian and Qantas back in the 90's, the government and its advisers knew that to privatise Qantas, it had to make it attractive, the institutions stayed away in droves. So, the merchant bankers and backers of a float, added Qantas with Australian to make the deal attractive.
You have a domestic arm, that would give transfers to the international arm, so the deal was done..combine the two and flogg the lot.
James Strong was brought as CEO in to get the deal done and make the thing work. He had the runs on the board(no pun intended) for he rebranded the old TAA (Trans Australian Airlines) to Australian, changed the culture somewhat and Australian became a decent airline.

Dixon took over in 1999 /2000 and over the years, he had to make the airline repay the shareholders with good dividends, as Telstra was on the boards for privatisation. So Dixon and his management came up with ways to shave costs and increase profits.
But Qantas was given a couple free kicks, Ansett folded and handed over 45% of the domestic market literally overnight, the Federal Government kept the foreign airlines at bay and British Airlines was still in the boardroom.
Then things started to get tuff.
I was at a meeting where in 1992, I gave an idea (I'm not blowning my horn here) where the QF was combined with Australian, that Australian Airlines would be the low cost airline and feed passengers to Qantas, a manager by the name of Wally Matriani, poo pood the idea and said this would'nt work...nobody wants to fly in low cost airlines.
i pointed out to him that South West was doing a fine job at it...So Wally won the argument.
There would be a product differentiation and other benefits, but when I mentioned in the meeting that QF should merge with Singapore Airlines instead of British Airways, for Singapore Airlines is in our sphere and is more in line and frame of mind with Qantas.
Plus and it was a bit plus...it has Singapore government backing...and still does, plus it has good Asian routes and has a mixed workforce of different asian nationalities, a great philip to gain access into new Asian markets.

Put the HQ in Singapore with SQ and a satelite smaller in Brisbane, give Sydney the flick, for it Mascot was crowded and a waste of time.

You could have heard a pin drop...12 eyes staring at me...unthinkable was the answer...never...BA has been with us since WW2 and all the old dart bullShite...Sydney, NEVER will we move.

So here is my little speil for the future...
Qantas will still exist, but a much much smaller domestic arm and Qantas International as we know it now, will cease to exist within 10 years.

No Kangaroo and Southern Cross routes in full.. gone.

It is a great pitty, but the seeds for the demise and execution of QF were made 10 to 15 years ago.

 So when you are at Longreach...enjoy the history of QF, for that is all will be left.


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Re: Qantas Lies about not supportting Jetstar
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2011, 07:16:11 PM »
Intriguing stuff, morgue. Qantas has been the primary focus of my work since 1999 or so (Telstra outsource of the data network side of the business) and it's always interesting to get a bit more of the picture.
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Re: Qantas Lies about not supportting Jetstar
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2011, 08:12:49 PM »
Intriguing stuff, morgue. Qantas has been the primary focus of my work since 1999 or so (Telstra outsource of the data network side of the business) and it's always interesting to get a bit more of the picture.

I would say, there would be some more ex employees of the Flying Kangaroo, who would shed some light on other aspects of the company..me, I ended in 1998/99...I just had enough, the writing was on the wall,  I had to get out.

It is a great company, some people believe a great icon...and it is, it is Australian and it is a world leader.
 
But that means Shite to shareholders and institutional shareholders...they want dividends, money...financial results..profits....nothing else matters.

It just makes my heart sink when I see what has happened over the last 12years, since I left.

Running an airline costs money, a lot of money, at one stage, in the 90's, Qantas had in its engineering department nearly 2 billion dollars worth of spare parts...2 Billions bucks worth of spare parts for aircraft just sitting there.

Why, well, you have a aluminium cigar, with over 20,000lb thrust jet engines, that go from 0 to 1000kph, fly from 20c ambient at sea level to -60c at 2.5 miles in the sky, and carry up to nearly 4 semi trailers fully loaded in weight over 8000km in distance and do it not once, but over 20,000 times.

To do this, you need go dedicated employees at all levels in all departments...Qantas (An Australian home bread company, second oldest airline in the world) has done this from the 707 days, to 2011, 24hrs a day, 7 days a week, and pray to god, never lost a jet. (not a prop, but a jet)

That is why, it is a World Aviation Icon, no other airline company in the world can claim that, not European, American, Chinese....

But we in Australia can...its Qantas (Queensland And Northern Terriortory Air Services..)

  

 


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Re: Qantas Lies about not supportting Jetstar
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2011, 08:17:30 PM »
You might like QF but as a FF of QF for 12 years, it is service with a snarl. I flew Ansett for 10 years before QF and Ansett provided better service than QF does today.
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Re: Qantas Lies about not supportting Jetstar
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2011, 08:34:31 PM »
Never lost a Jet  :angel:
True But at a cost
The 747 at Bangkok a few years ago was in all terms a write off
Management made the decision that it will be repaired at any cost  to keep Qantas reputation intact
Pity the current board members do not have the same views
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