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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: bushbandit on February 18, 2013, 08:20:18 PM
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Thought i would share this with you as today we are in Kelly Country Glenrowan and did the Kelly Trail and part of it was to visit Ned Kellys final resting place as per his wishes before he was hung.After being unearthed at Pentridge Jail awhile back his decendants 3 weeks ago had him buried at Greta cemetery in the district where he lived and was schooled a place he loved.The 5 earth unmarked graves in the photo is where he is buried deep in one of them with a ton of concrete ontop to stop theives getting at him.We think it is the last one closest his mother who is in the grave at the top of the 5 unmarked ones and has the low steel fence around it .We found concrete around this but it is anybodies guess as the other 4 have noone buried in them.We had a beer with him and thought that this is a good end to a part of our early history.
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Some would say that this is his resting place finally but it may just be a mustering point for some ??? ??? ???
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It's a pity they didn't use the DNA that identified Ned to verify the story of the fellow in Ipswich, (near Brisbane) to confirm or debunk if he was Ned's brother, Dan.
For those not familiar with the story: http://www.qt.com.au/news/dna-test-may-solve-dan-kelly-mystery-ipswich/1089102/ (http://www.qt.com.au/news/dna-test-may-solve-dan-kelly-mystery-ipswich/1089102/)
Murray
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A few links for those interested.
Ipswich Dan Kelly well and truly debunked:
http://www.glenrowan1880.com/dan_died.htm (http://www.glenrowan1880.com/dan_died.htm)
Other info on James Ryan by Brian Stevenson, Kelly Expert, who wrote the above:
A few years ago I obtained a copy of James Ryan’s inquest, no 228 of 1948 at the Queensland State Archives. Along with a lot of technical information on the speed of the locomotive that hit him, the testimony contains the following gem from the local cop:
‘He is an old aged pensioner and when he applied for the pension his date of birth was given as 12th June, 1859. On his application for a pension his father’s name is given as Luke Ryan and that his mother’s name was Kate Lawler. The deceased was identical with a man who claimed to be Dan Kelly. Inquiries made by the Pensions Department failed to reveal any record of his birth of as to the death of his parents as supplied by him. When interviewed by the Police in 1941 and subsequently he produced nothing to substantiate his claim to being Dan Kelly, one of the Kelly bushrangers.’
So when it came time for a pension applications, it seems that even James Ryan didn’t think that he was Dan Kelly.
The coroner’s information sheet says that Ryan was born in Ballarat and was 89 when he died, though the post-mortem certificate states that he was 94. No details of marriages or children were provided.
Here is a short article from the Brisbane Courier mail 12 March 1941, p 5 which probably explains why this unsavoury character Ryan was interviewed by police in 1941:
OCTOGENARIAN TAKES DOG INTO COURT
IPSWICH, Tuesday.— James Ryan, also known as Dan Kelly, an 86year old pensioner, with a flowing beard, was accompanied by his dog when he appeared in the Police Court, before Mr. Johnstone Smith, J.P., to-day, charged with having indecently dealt with a girl under the age of 12 at Brassall.
Plain-clothes Constable L. J. Platz gave evidence of arrest. When asked if he wished to question the constable, Ryan said: ‘I never indecently assaulted that girl.’ Ryan was remanded until March 18. Bail was allowed, self in £50, and one surety of £50.
A pity that it continues to be run up the flagpole!
Further links. Bear in mind that at least one member of the "Family" is a contibutor to Myswag, and the family have done a fantastic job in the management of Ned's final resting place.
http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/1243600/ned-kelly-funeral-most-significant-historical-day/ (http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/1243600/ned-kelly-funeral-most-significant-historical-day/)
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/pictures/gallery-e6frf94x-1226557561520?page=1 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/pictures/gallery-e6frf94x-1226557561520?page=1)
I was lucky enough to be one of the general public that were invited in for the Church Service in Wangaratta. I have since paid my respects at the Cemetery.
Persons with the same surname as ours, but totally unrelated, were mentioned in dispatched at the time as being "undesirables of the criminal classes". I guess nothing changes ;D
If anyone is interested, join:
http://nedkellyforum.com/ (http://nedkellyforum.com/)
:cheers:
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Should have pulverised the murderers bones and dumped them in the sea. :cheers:
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I don't get the hero worship either, he was a murderer and a theif
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Hi Mace, I read the first article. What does the author mean by claiming Elvis is dead?! ;D
We live in a post-modernist age and any part of the past is open for reinvention if someone can make a dollar out of it.
Hollywood does it all the time. This story is obviously close to your heart. My comments may be unresearched but they aren't as negative as some of the other comments posted.
Cr Tully knows how to work the media and will still be trotting out the Dan Kelly story for years to come as long as it brings in the tourists.
Cheers
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As Kelly said, when being senteced by Redmond Barry: "A day will come in a higher curt than this,and we shall see who was right and who was wrong."
Barely a week after Kelly's hanging Redmond Barry was dead. No doubt the higher judgement came quicker than either could have foreseen.
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I don't get the hero worship either, he was a murderer and a theif
I think he had a top notch PR person!