Post by: nab on January 21, 2019, 03:01:02 PM
I was almost sold on the fake decking but a mate who just put real timber said if it’s in full sun it will be too hot to walk on barefoot.
I’m 99% against oiling/maintenance every few months but if the composite stuff is uncomfortably hot I may have to go that way.
Anyone with the fake stuff find it too hot?? Any ideas or other options?
Post by: BBull on January 21, 2019, 03:07:31 PM
It was hot if you stood on it in the middle of the day but anything will be with direct sunlight.
I will never have a deck again. But I would go fake for less maintenance if I ever had to.
Post by: KeithB on January 21, 2019, 03:46:17 PM
Keith
Post by: Bigfish on January 21, 2019, 04:15:50 PM
Post by: Hairs on January 21, 2019, 04:24:28 PM
Couple of home owners I know have the fake/plastic stuff, oh Shityeah it gets hot.
Sure, you don't have to re oil, worry about water damage, but try and stand on it in full sun, you might as well walk through a fire/coal pit.
Put down right, coated with the right product, looked after and a timber Hardwood will last for years.
A tip, timber joist I run down each one a length of Snake Skin, poly flashing, nailed to the side of the joist, to protect it from water being trapped under the decking material.
I've pulled up deck that was only 5 years old and the rot between the decking & joist was enough to replace the joists.
Hope this helps.
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Post by: Pete79 on January 21, 2019, 05:38:35 PM
It was built properly, no water damage at all.
Trouble is what ever the hell the previous owner slapped on there to protect the deck, it's think and Shitty and ugly as hell.
They used screws to lay the decking and the gunk has filled all of the screw heads.
So can't rip the boards off to dress them, can't sand over all the screw heads, looks like the only option is chemicals.
Fake timber all the way for me....
Especially for an outdoor shower/pool area.
Post by: Hewy54 on January 21, 2019, 05:51:32 PM
Post by: rags on January 21, 2019, 06:58:54 PM
It looked fantastic when done, was a bit dearer though.
Post by: Rumpig on January 21, 2019, 07:06:54 PM
Sorry cant comment on fake stuff, but in our old house we had a hardwood deck all around the pool. I hated it, when the twits put it in they used a nail gun and after 2 years all the nails had rusted away (saltwater pool). It took about $300 to oil the deck every year.nails are old skool....we use a stainless decking screws to put all our decks down these days, the heads on them aren't much bigger then a bullet head nail, and they self clearance drill so no need to clearance hole the joins like when nailing either.
It was hot if you stood on it in the middle of the day but anything will be with direct sunlight.
I will never have a deck again. But I would go fake for less maintenance if I ever had to.
Post by: glenm64 on January 21, 2019, 10:52:43 PM
Ive got liquid limestone in back yard. Dont wear shoes at home and it can be 40 deg C in direct sun and limestone is as cool as. Love it.
Cheers Glen
Post by: nab on January 22, 2019, 01:12:22 AM
I like the grass idea too actually. Actually, what other options are there? I'm open to anything really, just thought decking was pretty robust and good for drainage.
Post by: Bad Scott on January 22, 2019, 04:10:23 AM
Post by: GBC on January 22, 2019, 05:46:15 AM
Post by: Watty2975 on January 24, 2019, 06:48:16 AM
It is a lot heavier than wood, not sure if that is a consideration for you. I will be replacing the wooden decking with it as needed.
Post by: BBull on January 24, 2019, 07:53:26 AM
nails are old skool....we use a stainless decking screws to put all our decks down these days, the heads on them aren't much bigger then a bullet head nail, and they self clearance drill so no need to clearance hole the joins like when nailing either.Agree, but if you are paying someone to put in a deck and you don't specify deck screws they will more than likely just use a nail gun
Post by: Bird on January 24, 2019, 10:52:19 AM
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Agree, but if you are paying someone to put in a deck and you don't specify deck screws they will more than likely just use a nail gunyep, that's what happened with ours :( and they are all sticking up and a PITA to remove ... mine needs re-staining and Shit now
Question on re-staining - the bloke that did ours used rags to stain the timber.. why would he have done that instead of painting it on? It was farqing messy for him and his lacky, they were both covered in teh stain!
If I give em a light sand and then re-stain with similar colour - all should be ok? Thats if I can get the nails out without destroying the wood :(
Post by: kylarama on January 24, 2019, 12:01:56 PM
Nothing looks nicer than a freshly laid and oiled hardwood deck, but the upkeep can be a killer.
If you go with composite decking, do your research. I've heard some brands have had fading, excessive shrinking and warping issues.
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Post by: Rumpig on January 24, 2019, 01:00:42 PM
Agree, but if you are paying someone to put in a deck and you don't specify deck screws they will more than likely just use a nail gundepends who you use...I know several other tradies that like us only ever use screws these days, nails are old skool. I used to hand nail my decks years ago and gun nailed cheap townhouse decks, I turned my nose up at screwing decks down when the builder i now work for said that’s what they do, now i’ve seen and used these screws we use, i’ll never nail down another deck again., and many tradies think the same.
Post by: Rumpig on January 24, 2019, 01:04:29 PM
yep, that's what happened with ours :( and they are all sticking up and a PITA to remove ... mine needs re-staining and Shit nowwhy remove the nails?...can’t you get a nail punch and punch them all back down. We recently had our house painted and deck restained, I nail punched 1300lm of decking boards before the painter sanded and restained our decking.
Question on re-staining - the bloke that did ours used rags to stain the timber.. why would he have done that instead of painting it on? It was farqing messy for him and his lacky, they were both covered in teh stain!
If I give em a light sand and then re-stain with similar colour - all should be ok? Thats if I can get the nails out without destroying the wood :(
Post by: Bird on January 24, 2019, 01:16:33 PM
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why remove the nails?...can’t you get a nail punch and punch them all back down. We recently had our house painted and deck restained, I nail punched 1300lm of decking boards before the painter sanded and restained our decking.
My plan was to remove the nails then the boards, give them a good tidy up, then replace the nails with screws - if possible without ****ing up the boards.
Post by: BBull on January 24, 2019, 01:47:49 PM
Post by: Pottsy on January 24, 2019, 01:52:08 PM
My plan was to remove the nails then the boards, give them a good tidy up, then replace the nails with screws - if possible without ****ing up the boards.
Good luck with that!
Post by: Bird on January 24, 2019, 01:53:12 PM
Good luck with that!yea teh boards that are on the uprights - 1/2 the nails were actually rusted/frozen in and snapped when I tried to get em out... :(
Post by: Pete79 on January 24, 2019, 02:53:33 PM
why remove the nails?...can’t you get a nail punch and punch them all back down. We recently had our house painted and deck restained, I nail punched 1300lm of decking boards before the painter sanded and restained our decking.I’m trying to figure out how to do this with screws right now.
Can’t sand over all the heads sticking up everywhere and can’t punch screws back in.
I understand nails might be old school, but what the hell do you do to repair a new school screwed deck that’s been coated in this crap?
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Post by: Mace on January 24, 2019, 03:07:34 PM
I’m trying to figure out how to do this with screws right now.
Can’t sand over all the heads sticking up everywhere and can’t punch screws back in.
I understand nails might be old school, but what the hell do you do to repair a new school screwed deck that’s been coated in this crap?
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Whatever contractor did that job would never work for me again....
Post by: Pete79 on January 24, 2019, 03:22:22 PM
Whatever contractor did that job would never work for me again....Yeah, no idea who made it or when. It just got dropped off at my place like that.
It was a 6m x 7m freestanding deck with awesome views of the Brisbane CBD skyline. But after being dropped off it’s posts, cut in half and trucked 100km out into the bush, it now needs some love.
I’m just really trying to figure out what to do prep it and re-coat it.
I’m reading a lot of love for screwed decks in here, but it sounds like when a screwed deck is screwed, it really is screwed... :P
Oh how I’d love to be punching a bunch of nails back in and moving on with this job....
Post by: Rumpig on January 24, 2019, 03:26:23 PM
I’m trying to figure out how to do this with screws right now.what screws are they?...massive heads on them and they don’t look stainless either, nothing like we use. The honest answer is, good luck getting them back out, we don’t build decks to be pulled apart, the timber should need replacing by the time it comes loose.
Can’t sand over all the heads sticking up everywhere and can’t punch screws back in.
I understand nails might be old school, but what the hell do you do to repair a new school screwed deck that’s been coated in this crap?
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Post by: Bird on January 24, 2019, 03:32:31 PM
Post by: Bird on January 24, 2019, 03:39:30 PM
what screws are they?...massive heads on them and they don’t look stainless either, nothing like we use. The honest answer is, good luck getting them back out, we don’t build decks to be pulled apart, the timber should need replacing by the time it comes loose.So what brand/style/material do you guys use so I get the right Shit if I ever get round to fixing mine.
Post by: Rumpig on January 24, 2019, 05:55:46 PM
So what brand/style/material do you guys use so I get the right Shit if I ever get round to fixing mine.these are what we use https://www.cdaets.com.au/Fasteners-Fixings-Bolts-Screws/Screws/Timber-Drilling/Decking-Screw/Stainless-Steel/528459-LDST10505006 (https://www.cdaets.com.au/Fasteners-Fixings-Bolts-Screws/Screws/Timber-Drilling/Decking-Screw/Stainless-Steel/528459-LDST10505006) , but there are other brands out there that are pretty similar in design and size. They will drill into new hardwood joists no worries at all, though you do need to go in and out as you go a few times to clear the screw out (standing on the decking board to hold it down also helps)...go to fast and you'll either sink the screw in to deep, or possibly break the screw (the latter usually happens if you try and put the screw in all the way in one go, instead of backing it out to clear the screw thread out). As for going into old hardwood joists if that's what you need to do... it's not something we do, so not sure how they go in that regard, can mail you some and a driver bit to try if you like. Each box comes with several driver bits, I can't recall ever breaking a driver bit, but have broken the odd screw on a rare occasion.
Post by: rags on January 24, 2019, 07:37:29 PM
I’m reading a lot of love for screwed decks in here, but it sounds like when a screwed deck is screwed, it really is screwed... :P
Unless it is screwed like my deck, steel joists under and not a screw to be seen.All pre drilled , screwed and then plugged before sanding and coated.
Post by: bmwfreak on February 03, 2019, 05:57:31 PM
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Post by: GBC on February 04, 2019, 07:22:42 AM
what screws are they?...massive heads on them and they don’t look stainless either, nothing like we use. The honest answer is, good luck getting them back out, we don’t build decks to be pulled apart, the timber should need replacing by the time it comes loose.
They look like wafer heads for attaching exotec style facades - commercial chippies strike again. Are they metal joists? The theory should be sound because there will be clearance holes through the timber and the back of the screw head does the holding down so the timber shouldn't ever split. About as pretty as a bulldog licking ice cream off a cactus though.
2 options for removal -
1. find what thins the existing polish (a dab of paint removing gel on each screw head should soften them and then back out with a rattle gun)
2. Use vice grips vertically and grab the side of the wafer and back out or snap by hand - yippee
Post by: GBC on February 04, 2019, 07:53:05 AM
We have just completed a mod wood deck out the back, and under cover. S/S countersunk screws all the way. Only issue we can see with the mod wood is if it marks you can’t sand it out
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We have had the odd issue with linear expansion affecting the fixings on some of the 140mm decks we have put down - mainly with differential movement when it is partly shaded/partly in full sun (staino fixings snapping). I hope the screw holes are overbored through the decking per the manufacturer's instructions?
Post by: ewoksta on February 06, 2019, 01:08:13 PM
Hated having to oil and replace the boards that were there, so went the no maintenance option. Comes with a 25 year warranty. Yes it gets hot but in full sun what decking doesn't.
Cheers
Andrew
Post by: Pete79 on February 10, 2019, 06:36:47 PM
What’s the cost difference between fake and real?
I’m actively shopping now after I got the Shits with my recycled one this afternoon and took to it with my 2 favorite tools, a BFH and equally big chisel.
Crappy oiled decking with big ugly screws is no more. ;D
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Post by: kylarama on February 10, 2019, 07:18:03 PM
Depending on brand, 90mm ranges from $8-$12 LM.
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Post by: GBC on February 11, 2019, 06:32:39 AM
Post by: nab on February 11, 2019, 07:50:55 PM
Post by: Pete79 on February 11, 2019, 09:28:56 PM
We decided to keep most of the concrete and just decided to do about 4sqm or merbeau. We put up a pick when I’ve finished. I’ll just give it a coat of oil whenever I do the outside furniture. Far out decks are expensive haha!!!!!Been getting prices today and you’re not wrong about the costs.
After talking to a few sales reps about various brands of fake wood they all pretty much talked me out of that option.
Not just the price, but the gaps you have to leave because of how much those products expand and each brand was keen to point out the other brand still had issues with rotting...
I have to ask though.
Any specific reason you picked merbau?
I’ve rung around my local sawmills today and at the moment I’ve narrowed my choices down to Turpentine, Grey Ironbark and Red Ironbark.
Just worried that the Ironbarks (especially the Grey) will be very difficult to work with.
I honestly thought I would go with fake timber when time came to do some decking at my place. But the time has come, and I’m going to go against everything I ever said I’d do....
Post by: gronk on February 11, 2019, 09:56:31 PM
Post by: nab on February 12, 2019, 12:01:31 AM
Post by: Fizzie on February 12, 2019, 07:43:19 AM
Know absolutely nothing about it ???, so please don't ask me any questions :D
Post by: GBC on February 13, 2019, 05:51:00 AM
https://decksheet.com.au/
Post by: nab on February 14, 2019, 01:36:33 AM
Post by: nab on February 14, 2019, 01:48:26 AM
Its 1150x3300, 8x boards fit perfectly with no trimming required!!! Only used 5x 5.7m boards in the end (with a couple of little test pieces left over haha!!).
Next question, what should I do with the toilet door there (currently in primer)? Its been a bit of a sore point with me and the missus have polar opposite ideas. 3 options so far are A) paint it and the frame a similar beige to match the bricks to try and hide it B) paint it the same colour as the shower tiles C) paint it a dark/funky colour then mount one of those fancy black/rusty screen things to it. All ideas welcome!
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