NSW Fires

[Bird]

Sounds a bit bad down Batemans way... hope they dont get the wind we've had for last few days.....

A bushfire burning at emergency level on NSW's South Coast has crossed the Princes Highway, cutting off several communities, as almost 130 fires burn across NSW amid very dry and windy conditions on Monday.

The Currowan blaze, which has already burnt more than 11,500 hectares, is burning out-of-control in the Bimberamala and Murramarang national parks, north of Batemans Bay.

https://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/residents-urged-to-evacuate-as-south-coast-fire-burns-out-of-control-20191201-p53fuc.html

[Paddler Ed]

Good read in The Land today about the challenges of HR burns:
https://www.theland.com.au/story/6520462/hazard-reduction-debate-simply-frustrating/?cs=4941

[Bird]

Good read in The Land today about the challenges of HR burns:
https://www.theland.com.au/story/6520462/hazard-reduction-debate-simply-frustrating/?cs=4941

You missed the more important article there
https://www.theland.com.au/story/6520461/questions-over-the-fate-of-the-pub-with-no-beer/?cs=4941

[Paddler Ed]

You missed the more important article there
https://www.theland.com.au/story/6520461/questions-over-the-fate-of-the-pub-with-no-beer/?cs=4941

That was the next article I read - and knew that one of you lot would pick up on it... it also seemed to be a non-story if it's panning out as it sounds.

[alnjan]

Good read in The Land today about the challenges of HR burns:
https://www.theland.com.au/story/6520462/hazard-reduction-debate-simply-frustrating/?cs=4941

I like the way the so called 'experts' who criticise Hazard Reduction can only 'blame' Climate Change' for the 'worsening' Bushfires, appear to concede defeat by offering no alternative to mitigating Bushfires. While the article is critical of a number of incidents about Hazard Reduction not being effective it states, " Hazard reduction, strategic planning, equipment and training are all important contributors to successful fire management." So sad they wish to put blame on something else for a situation they have had a hand in building themselves.

[Bird]

So sad they wish to put blame on something else for a situation they have had a hand in building themselves.

Its easier...

[alnjan]

Its easier...

That's about the only answer there is

[Hairs]

Its easier...

Yep,
I'm not responsible for myself, someone else  is.

[Hairs]

680 homes lost this fire season in NSW.
 

Take care,  Guys & Girls.

[Bird]

680 homes lost this fire season in NSW.
 

Take care,  Guys & Girls.

its funny how many people think fires are new, never happened bfore... gotta laugh at the comments..

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/nsw-fires-live-updates-rfs-continues-to-fight-blazes-20191205-p53hek.html

[Bird]

You wanna pop down for a few days Hairs? Got a few odd jobs you can do while ya here

Huge amount of fire': Blazes join to create 60km front

Deputy RFS Commissioner Rob Rogers said the Central Coast blazes that joined to create a megafire had created a huge front for firefighters to tackle.

"They've all just basically joined together now and it's almost like 60km of fire going from the Hawkesbury area all the way up to Singleton and at various staging moving towards the east,"he told Nine. "It's a huge amount of fire."

The Gospers Mountain fire alone has burnt more than 250,000 hectars, and has joined with the Little L Complex blaze and the Paddock Run fire. All those blazes are burning out of control.

"We will do our best to save homes but lives are the most important thing this afternoon."

[wada4wd]

its funny how many people think fires are new, never happened bfore... gotta laugh at the comments..

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/nsw-fires-live-updates-rfs-continues-to-fight-blazes-20191205-p53hek.html

Fires have been going for centuries.

They are getting faster, and burning at places that didn't had it before. High winds, Higher air heats, and lost of water in the dirt.

[Paddler Ed]

Have a read of this post:
https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2830568603674099&id=162875140443472

Thats why the fires this year are a problem...

[Bird]

This is why

[gronk]

This is why

Yep....and lack of rain to halt the spread.

No rain forecast for a few weeks yet...grim times ahead.....but it will rain, just don't know when ?

BEFORE global warming, google California 1930's drought...and we think we have it bad ??

[speewa158]

Please Santa can we have l  400mm of rain over the next few weeks on the hot stuff in NSW /QLD  .
They haven't been that bad up there

[Hairs]

Please Santa can we have l  400mm of rain over the next few weeks on the hot stuff in NSW /QLD  .
They haven't been that bad up there

Praying for the same.

[Pottsy]

Praying for the same.

Not much for prayer so I guess I’ll start dancing!

[Hairs]

Not much for prayer so I guess I’ll start dancing!

There is a Group in Yamba that are everyday.
Rain Dancing.

[alnjan]

This is why

This is what people just do not understand.   This is the basic simple science of Fire.  Remove one of the elements, Heat, Oxygen or fuel and that stops the chain reaction causing fire.  Climate Change or no Climate Change does not change that fact.   To just blame Climate Change as many want to, is not and will not do anything for Bushfires.  It definitely is not investigating into the cause of the Bushfires and future ways to mitigate the chance of a Bushfire or how to better fight a bushfire.  Listening to some of the 'experts' blaming Climate Change stating Hazard Reduction Burns either do not work or are too dangerous to conduct and just should not be conducted, to further stating current fire fighting techniques and technologies are not working but today have not said what the alternatives are.
 

[wada4wd]

This is what people just do not understand.   This is the basic simple science of Fire.  Remove one of the elements, Heat, Oxygen or fuel and that stops the chain reaction causing fire.  Climate Change or no Climate Change does not change that fact.   To just blame Climate Change as many want to, is not and will not do anything for Bushfires.  It definitely is not investigating into the cause of the Bushfires and future ways to mitigate the chance of a Bushfire or how to better fight a bushfire.  Listening to some of the 'experts' blaming Climate Change stating Hazard Reduction Burns either do not work or are too dangerous to conduct and just should not be conducted, to further stating current fire fighting techniques and technologies are not working but today have not said what the alternatives are.
 

The problem is that the heat of the world is getting warmer. We cannot remove Heat, Oxygen or fuel because the world has been getting hotter.

Yes, Climate change over years is making it harder for the world to keep the fires under control. Yes, Oxygen, Heat, Fuel and Chain Reaction is getting stronger for years. And the heat is reducing the water in the dirt causing more change for fires.

Climate change is showing us what is happening. If the Climate never changed then the fires would be the same it was before. Obviously, it has been changing.

[alnjan]

Have a read of this post:
https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2830568603674099&id=162875140443472

Thats why the fires this year are a problem...

The bloke he is talking about Mark Graham.  I was having a fb discussion on a post that appeared to be deleted before I could get back to him to continue our discussion.  But he was saying the likes of New England National Park has never had a fire in it for 50 million years due to some organism being present.  thought that was a pretty big claim considering the Ebor Volcano last erupted 16-19 million years ago and may have had some impact on the 30 million years before that.  His reply was I do not understand deep time.  Deep time is the concept of geologic time going back to the time of the dinosaurs.   Not sure if that means recent time events don't matter.   His belief is that as the Gondwana rainforest have never had a fire in them for 50 million years we simple should not be conducting any Hazard Reduction Burns at all and now that they are burning it is only prove of Climate Change causing the fires. 
I was going to ask him about that deep time and the time before of the dinosaurs when CO2 levels were at record levels and it was a little warmer then it is today how the earth had such an explosion of plant and animal growth why it didn't automatically burst into flames as the scientist are predicting for our future. 

[Fizzie]

To just blame Climate Change as many want to, 

From the SMH article above, I see Malcolm Turnbull has now also jumped on that bandwagon - as somebody commented on his post "Pity you didn't actually do something about it when you had the chance"

[Fizzie]

But he was saying the likes of New England National Park has never had a fire in it for 50 million years

Saw the comment that it has been 3 million years since there has been severe fires in the Border Ranges Gondwana rainforests, where Binna Burra Lodge was recently destroyed!

[alnjan]

Saw the comment that it has been 3 million years since there has been severe fires in the Border Ranges Gondwana rainforests, where Binna Burra Lodge was recently destroyed!

While the chances of a fire starting in a wet rainforest is greatly reduced, given the right weather conditions a bushfire, like a drought and hot dry winds, which we have had numerous times before a bush fire started in a dry forest will move into a wet rainforest, drying it out and burning it.