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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: wakychapmans on October 08, 2019, 09:29:11 AM
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yep... does this mean we have to become biccy dippers now?
I'd been looking around online and came across the Supreme Getaway range. The earlier ones have a great reputation for being a damn solid off road beast.
I spotted this one on Gumtree. 1994, 14'. Yes, it's old... but maintained well by a couple that clearly loved it. They have owned it since new.
in 2004/2005 they did a big lap and lived in it full time for two years. So they've done all sorts of little mods to it to suit their needs during that time.
They're selling as they're getting older and have just bought a brand spank in' new Spinifex with en-suite. http://spinifexcaravans.com.au/listings/atomix/
We picked it up for $9,800 with grand plans to move the kitchen from one side to the other, switch the bed from North/South to East/West, put chairs at the end(side?) of the bed and then install a shower/toilet where the kitchen previously was...
I'll take more pics when we pick it up but... our "grand" plans are changing further as on Sunday we made the drive from the Blue Mountains to Summerland Point on the Central Coast to check it out. Owners Duncan and his wife Chris were very helpful and even put up with Tucker running around their property being his usual mad Samoyed self.
turns out they had their own home made show inside it. You can see in one of the pics below there is a large square thing on the back of the seat. (we thought it was a table) Well... turns out it's a shower base. then they have a hula hoop (yes really) with a shower curtain attached to it that clips onto some brackets on the roof. The shower base has a drain that goes out through the side of the van and you just use a 12v hand held shower and a bucket of heated water (or cool) for your shower.
So we may just use that for the time being.
It will be getting painted inside. Some kind of "off white" I'm thinking for the walls and chair frames and cabinets. Roof will be roof white and then doors on the cabinets... well I'm leaning towards a grey of some sort.
Kyria the quilter will recover the chairs and any other fabric trims and make new curtains..
The current owner has 750/r16 wheels on it. We'll swap them to 285/75/16. (difference in height is 30mm total, so only 15mm under the guards)
It needs a clean up. But it looks like a nice solid van to build on.
Need to figure out a spot for the spare as it currently sits under the bed. Maybe the drawbar? Or I was thinking of a swing away wheel carrier from a 80 series or similar and put it on the back...
anyway... more pics when we pick it up.
these are from the online ad and some that my wife took.
oh yeh... it has a 3 way fridge. Am I correct that the general opinion of them in't all that positive? Should I be budgeting to change it for a 12v/240v more modern type?
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As soon as somebody mentions 'Supreme Getaway' I think of Thommo the bush cook swinging around his like tarzan somewhere up Cape York showing off how strong it was.
Congratulations, it's got adventure written all over it.
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Nice work wayno... :)
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I like 'em too.... :cup: :cup:
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Nice work wayno... :)
I should mention... it's narrower than a "normal" caravan too. Almost identical wheeltrack to our 105 Cruiser.
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As soon as somebody mentions 'Supreme Getaway' I think of Thommo the bush cook swinging around his like tarzan somewhere up Cape York showing off how strong it was.
Congratulations, it's got adventure written all over it.
hahahaha...yeh, I ignored them for ages as I couldn't stand the "getaway" name. But then I did more research and they really do have a rep for being solid and reliable (well... the older ones do).
Funny that you mentioned Cape York. The current owners took it up the tele' track in 2005 as part of their 2 year big lap. They turned off just short of Nolans though...
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Good stuff MC always liked those Supreme Getaways, Fit up a 270* batwing awning to cover the rear door etc then fit up one of these and have the toilet shower on the outside https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl6_N0Smocw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl6_N0Smocw) .. shower cubical build bits detail
https://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/showthread.php/180047-Share-your-DIY-Camping-gadgets/page78 (https://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/showthread.php/180047-Share-your-DIY-Camping-gadgets/page78)
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Yep You can still see the Cape york dust around things on it, Thanks for the share as it looks the goods, It looks like a van stuck on a trailer, Thats funny as I have just been thinking of building a ally flat top trailer to use around home and then cut all the chasy of my old pop up van and bolt it to the flat top trailer for going away just one rego then, Craig
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Good choice. We have seen a Getaway where the North/South bed was converted to two single with hanging wardrobe and mirrored door in between beds. It means removing existing rear cupboards though.
Friends of ours have the same as yours with an East/West bed and do say that sometimes the clambering can be a pain in the arse.
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It looks like a van stuck on a trailer,
Exactly what the older ones are, Craig. Basically a big box trailer with a van body placed inside.
Solid as.
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I don't suppose your bunduawn will fit lengthwise?
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re-reading your post, basically your going to gut it out totally.. ?
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Yep .. 14' is as big as I'll go. We need 3 beds and I hunted around for ages for a better solution to the Jayco Freedom we have now (13.42.1 layout with single beds and dinette converted to single bed). In the end I gave up searching and bought the same layout in a 2013 Starcraft Outback (leaf springs rather than independent coils because of carport height limitations). I've converted the dinette, and will also remove the wardrobe between the single beds (too claustrophobic). These single bed Jaycos are very roomy for a 14' van. Anyone want to buy a nice 2003 Freedom?
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I have just been thinking of building a ally flat top trailer to use around home and then cut all the chasy of my old pop up van and bolt it to the flat top trailer for going away just one rego then, Craig
I have had similar thoughts, although mine involve keeping the camper and box trailer and "sharing" the one rego between them. >:D
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Good stuff MC always liked those Supreme Getaways, Fit up a 270* batwing awning to cover the rear door etc then fit up one of these and have the toilet shower on the outside
I was thinking of the two sided awning. The 3 sided Bundutec on our camper isn't long enough to swap over. So it may move to the car... or be sold off.
regarding the shower... that's also an option.
we have one of the Kickass shower tents on the old camper already. So we could swap it over easily. If we wanted...
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re-reading your post, basically your going to gut it out totally.. ?
that was plan number 1...
plan number 2 is more like... "use it for 6-9 months and then decide what works... and what needs changing to suit us".
But those curtains will be gone in a few days....
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oh yeh... it has a 3 way fridge. Am I correct that the general opinion of them in't all that positive? Should I be budgeting to change it for a 12v/240v more modern type?
Mate you here a lot of people bagging them and I am not super fussed with how ineffective they are on 12v (basically just hold temp) but for all of that I have had two now and they both work pretty good on gas and 240v. A lot talk about how when you run on gas they must be dead level but I have had mine going when a bit of a lean and it seems to go OK.
Might be like anything with some being better than others. A lot also bag them when taking into the North particularly if they aren't the tropics rated ones. Haven't taken my van that far north so not sure
Give it a go and can always change if not good enough
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one thing the owner mentioned...
it has a scupper style vent on top.
Apparently it sits closed if the van is stationary and then open up (lifts up at the front) when the van is moving.
This is to slightly pressurise the van. They said that it's always kept all the dust out.
*except* for that time his wife left the rear roof vent open on a road in the gulf. He was saying that everything down the back of the van had a light coating of dust. But the bed being up the front and directly under the scupper vent... was just fine.
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so many questions...
it has inertia brakes *and* electric.
the owner is of the opinion that it can be towed legally (behind our Landcruiser) without having an electric brake controller fitted.
is this correct?
Obviously we'll be fitting one in the future, but I just wanted to get it home safely is all.
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Drums with the override hooked up to the handbrake? My Trakshak had that setup. You won’t wear out the pads on override if you get my drift.
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Drums with the override hooked up to the handbrake? My Trakshak had that setup. You won’t wear out the pads on override if you get my drift.
ok... good thing we're going to be heading UP into the Blue Mountains on the way home then
But we should take it easy down Mooney Mooney... (and crawl up the other side in the 1HZ cruiser)
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I was thinking of the two sided awning. The 3 sided Bundutec on our camper isn't long enough to swap over. So it may move to the car... or be sold off.
regarding the shower... that's also an option.
we have one of the Kickass shower tents on the old camper already. So we could swap it over easily. If we wanted...
Let me know if you want to swap your 3 sided Bundu awn for the two-sided "Bundu L"
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Let me know if you want to swap your 3 sided Bundu awn for the two-sided "Bundu L"
How long is your two sided?
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How long is your two sided?
Just checked, just the 2.45. Was only half serious, would be more than happy to swap but guessing you will likely want something longer.
http://bundutec.com.au/awnings/bundu-l/ (http://bundutec.com.au/awnings/bundu-l/)
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Don't forget to attach the "80kph speed limited" sticker to the back.
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one thing the owner mentioned...
it has a scupper style vent on top.
Apparently it sits closed if the van is stationary and then open up (lifts up at the front) when the van is moving.
This is to slightly pressurise the van. They said that it's always kept all the dust out.
*except* for that time his wife left the rear roof vent open on a road in the gulf. He was saying that everything down the back of the van had a light coating of dust. But the bed being up the front and directly under the scupper vent... was just fine.
Don't need to be open when driving on the bitumen. Are meant to be opened up on gravel/dirt roads however the design flaw is that when a vehicle comes the other way it will suck in the dust in the air generated from them. Have heard some people put in foam etc as an air filter. Whatever you do don't seal up the fridge vents trying to make it air tight. Some apparently do and wonder why their fridge doesn't work properly
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Don't forget to attach the "80kph speed limited" sticker to the back.
towing it behind a 1HZ... be lucky if we can up to 80kph...
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Without intending to get into a speed argument I was driving home from Dorrigo through Armidale and Tamworth on Monday and the winds were absolutely howling and was shaking the van (brick on wheels) to the extent that I slowed down to 90km mostly so that I had some acceleration power if I needed it. A number of vans overtook me at a fair rate of knots with some looking to have little wobbles as they did.
Plenty of overtaking lanes and decent straights so wasn't holding traffic up too much
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G`Day Muru.
All I can say is you got one of the best OFF ROADERS built. I`ve got a 2001 built 14.6 ft side door Getaway, bought it in 2002 and since then has done possible 400 thousand Ks and around half to three quarters of that on dirt and rough tracks. Have given mine some hard times and touch wood it has never let me down. Mine is a two single bed jigger and the only major mods I made were to remove the wine glass base off the table as it was difficult to get ones feet in and out and replace it with a home made fully adjustable mount coming off the floor and up the wall and as the wall is steel, mounting was a piece of cake. I also made a 25lt grey water tank so as to please all the authorities. I also made stone protection on all the venerable bits underneath using conveyor belting. I also added 200watts of solar on the roof with 150 AH of optima battery power.
I notice yours still has the original skirt, I replaced mine about 2 years ago. Also looking at the hubs you may have 2.5 ton rated bearings or possibly 3 ton like mine. What suspension has it got, should be interdependent, If so you wont fault it. Brakes may be 12 inch but as its over ride more than likely 10inch, and as it should come in under 2 ton a breakaway system is not a legal requirement, well not in SA. Well done with a top buy, and I know you will be happy as when you hit the tracks.
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Don't forget to attach the "80kph speed limited" sticker to the back.
(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/DDFC9N/mobile-roadblock-no-overtaking-sign-uk-DDFC9N.jpg)
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so can anyone clarify the braking question for me?
the van has mechanical override brakes std. (it also has electric, tow vehicle remote operated brakes)
The previous owner believes that it is legal to tow it behind our Landcruiser relying on the override brakes.
I checked the NSW RMS website and found this: https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/towing.html (https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/safety-rules/road-rules/towing.html)
Braking system
The minimum braking system for a trailer depends on the type of trailer, its weight and the weight of the vehicle:
0 – 750 kg loaded weight – no brakes required.
751 – 2000 kg loaded weight – braking on both wheels on at least one axle.
2001– 4500 kg loaded weight – braking on all wheels, and an automatic breakaway system in case the trailer becomes detached from the vehicle.
Brakes must be operable from the driver’s seating position.
Weight wise we're well under the 2,000kg mark. So we're in the 2nd category.
but the last point "must be operable from the driver's seating position"... Override brakes are activated under braking. Which I do when seated...
am I understanding this correctly?
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As it says you will be fine, In QLD if your trailer is under 2000kg you only need breaks on front axle like it says, overide drum or electric drum or Hydraulic disc which I prefer, I have override 8inch drums brakes on my pop Our van, it is under a ton, the brakes are hopeless but work good enough to help, My boat and trailer are 1,4ton the old 80 1HZ tows that all day on 95 to 100ks hills knock it around get 18l per hundred towing with 80 and boat loaded, Craig
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As it says you will be fine,
hills knock it around get 18l per hundred towing with 80 and boat loaded, Craig
thanks Craig.
I rarely see 95kph when towing... or even not towing for that matter...
I find that the fuel economy drops off in the 105 Series when I go past about 85kph. If I hit 100, then I use around 20% more. (don't want to think what 110 would be like...)
So I cruise at 80 most of the time.
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"must be operable from the driver's seating position"... Override brakes are activated under braking. Which I do when seated...
am I understanding this correctly?....
I would say that is a yes .... Will be looking at fitting over ride discs to our X-Over build even though it will be only around the 550 + - Kg mark .
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but the last point "must be operable from the driver's seating position"... Override brakes are activated under braking. Which I do when seated...
am I understanding this correctly?
I was told a few years ago that they say this as there was debate going around when it was first mandated that if all they had to have were brakes then the hand brake on the trailer was enough. To get around this they added in the words about operating from the drivers seat. Don't know if it is true or not but reading and listening to some people's views in regards to towing laws (specifically mirrors and self-contained) I can only imagine what it was like when the brakes requirement was being introduced
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Over ride brakes on a trailer or caravan UNDER 2TON is totally LEGAL and if fitted with a breakaway system, which there are some around then it is legal on over 2ton. 45 years in the brake industry as a workshop foreman taught me a few things.
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thanks edz, RodT, DCP. I feel better about picking it up tomorrow now...
next stoopid question...
The van has the old Sugar Glider independent suspension.
1) are all stub axles and the hubs on them interchangeable?
2) what is required to swap hubs on the vans stub axles to match our 5 bolt cruiser?
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G`Day mate .
You will have to change the hubs but thats not a problem. The only thing is you have to check what bearings are fitted. As I said mine has 3 ton rated bearings and going by the look of the caps on the hubs, yours will be either 2 ton or three. These bearings are a lot larger that the Holden of Falcon that are normally fitted. If you remove a hub and drum and hopefully they are separate (which they should be ) then a trailer suspension or specialist brake shop should be able to supply and machine all the parts to the specifications you require. Send me a PM with your number as its much easier to discus things over the phone.
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So I cruise at 80 most of the time.
& it's taken you till now to get a caravan ??? >:D
Looks awesome though :cup:
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I was told a few years ago that they say this as there was debate going around when it was first mandated that if all they had to have were brakes then the hand brake on the trailer was enough. To get around this they added in the words about operating from the drivers seat. Don't know if it is true or not but reading and listening to some people's views in regards to towing laws (specifically mirrors and self-contained) I can only imagine what it was like when the brakes requirement was being introduced
I remember the old man fitting up Vacuum operated brakes to what used to be an overide hydraulic set up on our 18' van back in the 60's
We had the PBR set up https://www.wingate.web.za/reconditioning-brakes-clutch-cylinders/ (https://www.wingate.web.za/reconditioning-brakes-clutch-cylinders/)
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In my opinion these were the best of Supreme vans the larger ones were rubbish.
3 in Hervey Bay had bent chassis in less than 12 months and were write off’s
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I remember the old man fitting up Vacuum operated brakes to what used to be an overide hydraulic set up on our 18' van back in the 60's
We had the PBR set up https://www.wingate.web.za/reconditioning-brakes-clutch-cylinders/ (https://www.wingate.web.za/reconditioning-brakes-clutch-cylinders/)
They worked well on vans, but at low revs they ran out of puff quick. Back in the 70’s the sound of a cruiser Ute revving hard to try to stop a big boat dragging it down the boat ramp was a common sound. It was a whole new driving style that had to be learned. Many fell victim too. Our ex PMG cruiser Ute dragging a savage bluefin on hydro brakes took a quick dip in Urangan harbour once when someone pressed the brakes one too many times and they disappeared.
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Don't need to be open when driving on the bitumen. Are meant to be opened up on gravel/dirt roads however the design flaw is that when a vehicle comes the other way it will suck in the dust in the air generated from them. Have heard some people put in foam etc as an air filter. Whatever you do don't seal up the fridge vents trying to make it air tight. Some apparently do and wonder why their fridge doesn't work properly
Yeah we had one of these vents on the gold stream it was useless and we left it shut. Even on bitumen if a car came the other way it would suck all the road crap right in. You just have to expect a bit of dust
Best ever thing we bought was a bed swag which is basically a big canvass bag for your bed. So even if the rest of the van looked like a tornado had gone through it you got a good night sleep on clean sheets
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Best ever thing we bought was a bed swag which is basically a big canvass bag for your bed. So even if the rest of the van looked like a tornado had gone through it you got a good night sleep on clean sheets
Now there's a thought, thanks, Chester :cup:
We've got a sort of parachute material car cover in the cupboard which wont actually fit any of our current cars - might have a look at putting it over the bed in the van.
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Now there's a thought, thanks, Chester :cup:
We've got a sort of parachute material car cover in the cupboard which wont actually fit any of our current cars - might have a look at putting it over the bed in the van.
Think basically this (see Link) with the mattress removed and queen size. You basically just roll the top down and then roll it up the next day and you will always have a clean bed
I had a guy in Perth make it up for me sorry cant remember what it is called
The lady who makes the canvass products on this forum could probably do it
http://www.campingcentral.com.au/oztrail-cooper-expedition-double-canvas-swag-with-mattress/
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one thing the owner mentioned...
it has a scupper style vent on top.
But the bed being up the front and directly under the scupper vent... was just fine.
Yeah.... NO.... bloody scupper is metal so collects condensation which then drips onto your head... at least it did in our case as the scupper was right above our pillows....
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thought it might be nice to bring this one up to date...
where it started.
where it got to...
where it was a month ago...
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thought it might be nice to bring this one up to date...
where it started.
where it got to...
where it was a month ago...
http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=56736.125[/b]]http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=56736.125 (http://[b)
Lookin good Wayno... bet ya itching now! Comin down this way?
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Lookin good Wayno... bet ya itching now! Comin down this way?
probably at XMAS.
and we won't be heading back to the mountains after that either.
the current plan is head to Melb, visit inlaws. Stay for a month or two. Then hit the road west and north.