Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on November 16, 2018, 04:42:28 PM
Using the second row for gear/water storage.
I have a 105 Cruiser with folding/removeable seats in the 3rd. row, and they went into the shed very quickly.
I was wanting to move weight forward in the vehicle, by using the back seat area for gear, with the seats removed while Touring.
Effectively creating a 2 seater wagon.
It's ok in Vic. if it's Temporary, and the seatbelts are left in place, as I understand it.
Just hoping someone, in Q'land., can help. TIA.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on November 16, 2018, 06:02:52 PM
We book ya cause we don't like Victorians. ;D :cheers:
Post by: vern on November 16, 2018, 06:07:26 PM
We don't book ya for not having seats fitted.Thats a bit racist
We book ya cause we don't like Victorians. ;D :cheers:
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Post by: vern on November 16, 2018, 06:08:32 PM
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Post by: macca on November 16, 2018, 06:19:52 PM
I don't understand how you can be booked for not having seats in place, i can understand for adding seats though.Because the seating capacity stated is greater than the actual number of seats. You can get the seating capacity changed by Vicroads making it legal, not sure on other states. I took the back seat out of mine and built a storage unit and fridge, had it like that for about three years then went back to a five seater
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Post by: Bigfish on November 16, 2018, 06:22:00 PM
Post by: Hoyks on November 16, 2018, 06:22:41 PM
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The key question that needs to be answered when assessing the removal of seats is whether the vehicle is permanently modified (the seats are removed for an indefinite period or are not expected to be refitted) or has it just been reconfigured in accordance with the manufacturers various options.https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/-/media/Safety/Vehicle-standards-and-modifications/Vehicle-standards/Vehicle-standards-instructions/L51.pdf?la=en (https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/-/media/Safety/Vehicle-standards-and-modifications/Vehicle-standards/Vehicle-standards-instructions/L51.pdf?la=en)
• For vehicles fitted with quick release seating attachments as original equipment, temporary removal of the seats is acceptable. A Modification Plate does not need to be fitted. This is commonly the case for four wheel drives and people movers.
• For vehicles fitted with bolt in seating structures, no approval by an Approved Person is necessary for the temporary removal of seats, provided the category of the vehicle does not change as a result of the seating reduction.
Post by: vern on November 16, 2018, 06:48:50 PM
Because the seating capacity stated is greater than the actual number of seats. You can get the seating capacity changed by Vicroads making it legal, not sure on other states. I took the back seat out of mine and built a storage unit and fridge, had it like that for about three years then went back to a five seaterI understand, but how can they book you for that. So your 5 seater now only has 2 seats, that just means you can only carry 2 persons in the vehicle, the same as if hubby and wife drive around and never have any additional passengers. Stupid rule
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Post by: Hoyks on November 16, 2018, 06:55:50 PM
On something like a troopy, 9 seats sees you in the bus category for CTP, so taking a few seats out knocks the premium down significantly.
Post by: Pete79 on November 16, 2018, 07:11:23 PM
If everything in the space where the back seats should be is clearly just temporary and the seatbelts are all still in place, you can try your best to talk your way out of it.
Seatbelts removed and frames/drawers/cages permanently bolted down where the seats should be and you can expect a little less weight in your wallet. ;)
Post by: Steffo1 on November 17, 2018, 07:25:30 AM
Post by: Fizzie on November 17, 2018, 07:35:41 AM
Has never said that there's been any problem (but I also don't think he's been stopped & checked ???)
Post by: Hoyks on November 17, 2018, 09:22:00 AM
So, if I have the two rear seats of my 7 seater folded into the floor and the drawers installed over them, I could be booked for not having a functioning 7 seater :o :o
Can you put the seats back in again? Then no.
The statement of "...removed for an indefinite period or are not expected to be refitted" can easily be argued that installing the seats when you get home from the trip or even before selling the vehicle is a defined period.
https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/-/media/Safety/Vehicle-standards-and-modifications/Vehicle-standards/Vehicle-standards-instructions/L51.pdf?la=en (https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/-/media/Safety/Vehicle-standards-and-modifications/Vehicle-standards/Vehicle-standards-instructions/L51.pdf?la=en)
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on November 17, 2018, 04:55:22 PM
Can you put the seats back in again? Then no. Can't because they're still there in the Paj. and he'd have to pull out the stuff on top to prove it.My thoughts, thanks Hoyks.
I'm not doing anything more than unscrewing the bolts that hold the seat to the body, and storing the seat till I get back.
The statement of "...removed for an indefinite period or are not expected to be refitted" can easily be argued that installing the seats when you get home from the trip or even before selling the vehicle is a defined period. That's how I thought it applied
https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/-/media/Safety/Vehicle-standards-and-modifications/Vehicle-standards/Vehicle-standards-instructions/L51.pdf?la=en (https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/-/media/Safety/Vehicle-standards-and-modifications/Vehicle-standards/Vehicle-standards-instructions/L51.pdf?la=en)
Post by: Bird on November 17, 2018, 05:31:13 PM
Post by: DaveR on November 18, 2018, 06:29:11 AM
I know a bloke who has a 3/4 cab mazda with the rear opening half sized doors, he unbolted the back seats to fit a 40 litre fridge and was OK for when the coppers recently looked over his car for some reason.
Key being Unbolted, no changes.
Most 100 or 105's here have back 3rd row seats gone with kit bolted in, no troubles until you sell it and need a safety cert. The 3rd row then needs to be seen in place. I don't see that as a problem for a Victorian, so long as you leave......
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on November 18, 2018, 08:54:49 AM
Gotta come up that end of the world to visit my son at some stage.
So I was just trying to do the right thing anyway.
Post by: Bird on November 18, 2018, 08:57:46 AM
Call em if your unsure
Post by: Bigfish on November 18, 2018, 10:45:24 AM
4wd Victoria did this one 10+ yrs ago - you'll be fine.
Call em if your unsure
HAHAHA...Bird.....Your talking about Qld....Anything can happen in 10 years up here. With the looney politicians we get everything is unpredictable, except one thing....pollies ability to gouge the absolute Shit out of the system and line their pockets. I think its the only state that sees mental instability as a qualification for government.
Post by: KingBilly on November 18, 2018, 10:50:58 AM
KB
Post by: doc evil on November 18, 2018, 12:20:07 PM
Simple answer. If it is a legal modification in the state of vehicle registration, it is legal in all other states. You’re welcome. Have a nice day.
KB
Try telling that to the thousands who got fined for their lightbars/spotties being on the roof/bulbar/wrong spot in the eyes of officer dribble etc that WAS legal in one state but not the next!! Yes I was 1 of them.
Your trumpet is a bit flat KB ;) ;) ;D
I raised the seating issue with the WA DOT where my vehicle is registered. Mine is regoed as a 5 seater due to the chop. I have removed the middle row seats to essentially make it a 4 door 2 seater ute. Now the crunch, as far as the ginger beer at the DOT is concerned, I am legal as long as the seatbelts ARE removed!! Therefore, no one can be legally seated where the seats have been removed.
No issues travelling throughout Australia including the plod on Fraser having a good look over my vehicle and a 1/2 hour discussion on it.
I would assume the attitude you show the good officer of the law would reflect the outcome.
Post by: KingBilly on November 18, 2018, 02:52:16 PM
Maybe your light bar was not legal in WA? As for thousands of interstate drivers being fined, I call bull$hit by 100%
If you disagree with an infringement issued by police/traffic inspectors/parking inspectors/whooever then there are appeal processes you can follow.
KB
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on November 18, 2018, 03:01:29 PM
Try telling that to the thousands who got fined for their lightbars/spotties being on the roof/bulbar/wrong spot in the eyes of officer dribble etc that WAS legal in one state but not the next!! Yes I was 1 of them.It depends what the notice was written out for.
Your trumpet is a bit flat KB ;) ;) ;D
I raised the seating issue with the WA DOT where my vehicle is registered. Mine is regoed as a 5 seater due to the chop. I have removed the middle row seats to essentially make it a 4 door 2 seater ute. Now the crunch, as far as the ginger beer at the DOT is concerned, I am legal as long as the seatbelts ARE removed!! Therefore, no one can be legally seated where the seats have been removed.
No issues travelling throughout Australia including the plod on Fraser having a good look over my vehicle and a 1/2 hour discussion on it.
I would assume the attitude you show the good officer of the law would reflect the outcome.
In Vic. those overhead spots are supposed to be covered during the daytime, only uncovered at night.
If you had them operating, that's a different ball of wax.
And just like KB says, it's not hard to fail the attitude test sometimes.
Post by: doc evil on November 18, 2018, 05:16:56 PM
I stand by my comment.
Maybe your light bar was not legal in WA? As for thousands of interstate drivers being fined, I call bull$hit by 100%
If you disagree with an infringement issued by police/traffic inspectors/parking inspectors/whooever then there are appeal processes you can follow.
KB
Well, look who rode in on a high horse...…..
Was legal on the roof in WA (where my vehicle is registered) not legal in SA, I was fined, disputed, and fine rescinded. All 4 in our convoy were fined for one thing or another. So 4 vehicles that were legal in one state and fined in another. The point is the fine that was issued in the first place, shouldn't have been!! How many people have blindly paid a fine and not disputed it??? Most people don't know how, or have the time to dispute !!! How many backpacker mobiles cross over interstate annually that could fall in this bracket???? So, yes, I'd say thousands...………
<<steps off soap box n climbs onto a horse ;D ;D >>
Post by: Beachman on November 19, 2018, 10:13:36 AM
Mind you apart from the odd breathalyser/licence/rego check I’ve never actually been pulled over by the police, (Mind you I have received photos by mail :'(? ) but even when being breathalysed/licence/rego check they haven’t said anything about the 3rd row seats not being in the car.
Post by: Cruiser 105Tvan on November 19, 2018, 02:15:49 PM
It's the 2nd row seats that I want to pull out and replace with gear.
It moves the weight forward in the vehicle, and gives me the weight of the seats as extra capacity.
The vehicle already has bars both ends, as well as a winch up front, as a disadvantage in the GVM fight.
And I'm looking at 3.180T as max. with the Tvan on the Tow-bar.
I'm not sure what the Max. weight per axle is, because I haven't found that out yet, Toyota's site isn't easy.
Post by: Kangaron on November 19, 2018, 03:28:53 PM
Best thing I ever did.
This is an old pic, have made improvements since, nice to have a few things out of sight
underneath.
Been pulled up a few times, never a comment.